Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
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23-12-2014, 05:28 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
(23-12-2014 05:12 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Jack, while pointing to the middle of the room says, “Can you feel the presence of an *alien life form?”

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23-12-2014, 06:03 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
(23-12-2014 05:28 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 05:12 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Jack, while pointing to the middle of the room says, “Can you feel the presence of an *alien life form?”

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23-12-2014, 06:25 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
My knowledge of gods is rather limited, but the more I search for them, the closer I get to zero on the finding scale.

I know that all of the gods that humans have invented don't exist. I have no knowledge about any gods that we haven't invented.

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23-12-2014, 06:39 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
(23-12-2014 12:35 PM)Autumnflowers Wrote:  So many that i have talked to on other sites speak of how they know a god doesn't exist
I don't agree or disagree as i honestly don't know. But isn't wrong to say you "Know" a god exists just like it's wrong to say you "Don't know a god exists?" Because in reality we can say we know but we haven't yet to die and figure it out sure more evidence supports this to be not possible, however we can't say for sure can we?
On your half, would you ever say for sure if a god did or didn't exist?
I feel as if i wouldn't because i feel like i couldn't ever know for sure.
Please give a "Why or why not do you think or don't think it's possible to claim if a god fully exists or not"

Yes we can say that gods do not exist. The concept represents a rejection of every valid principle of metaphysics. It represents a rejection of the axioms of philosophy and the primacy of existence principle, all of which are incontestably true. It is a self contradictory proposition. Contradictions can not exist.

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23-12-2014, 07:27 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
(23-12-2014 04:52 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 04:18 PM)Autumnflowers Wrote:  I don't have a bible and unless i find audio books i'm really not interested, i wouldn't understand it anyways.
I already think it's all shit, but i'm still angostic

Click on the little links in blue. Seriously, who buys a Bible when the Fundies have put every conceivable version online for free? What a waste of perfectly good porn bandwidth.

I know that they call them Chapters but they're what real people call pages. Yes, it's BS but if you read those three pages with a critical eye it becomes blindingly obvious why major chunks of theology is BS. Great fun with apologists. And those are soft questions. Barely fill-in-the-bunk. Almost multiple-guess.

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23-12-2014, 07:33 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
(23-12-2014 04:52 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 04:18 PM)Autumnflowers Wrote:  I don't have a bible and unless i find audio books i'm really not interested, i wouldn't understand it anyways.
I already think it's all shit, but i'm still angostic

Click on the little links in blue. Seriously, who buys a Bible when the Fundies have put every conceivable version online for free? What a waste of perfectly good porn bandwidth.

I know that they call them Chapters but they're what real people call pages. Yes, it's BS but if you read those three pages with a critical eye it becomes blindingly obvious why major chunks of theology is BS. Great fun with apologists. And those are soft questions. Barely fill-in-the-bunk. Almost multiple-guess.

I just paused it not even mid way in and went WHAT?! WHAT?!
The darkness "God" called night and the light "God" Called day
no, humans did that o.0 way before a god would have came onto a earth if even possible. Facepalm you're not shitting i see why you say it's 100% bull
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23-12-2014, 07:42 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
Gods, by my definition of the term (the only one that matters to me in this context), do not and cannot exist. Until it can be proven that they might exist (again, under my definition of the term), I can and do assert that all gods are imaginary.

The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.
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23-12-2014, 07:44 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
I would have to disagree with Free on two accounts.

First, I don't think we can truly be gnostic about this because no one can "know" until they die, given that we have not had an actual god chill with us at the 7-11.

Second, Free's argument about there needing to be some shred of evidence for us to consider a god's existence doesn't make sense, and I'll use his elephant example. What would be a shred of evidence of the elephant in the room? A huge dump? Some hair? A scent? Would there have to be an actual elephant there? If so, then it's not a dilemma but rather solid proof of the existence, defeating the point.

If you're looking for any half-assed shred of evidence to give you some doubt about whether a god exists then why wouldn't the thousands of religions be that tiny shred to turn you from gnostic to agnostic? While we are skeptical about Jesus performing miracles, you still believe he was a historical figure. People wrote of his supernatural ways and while we don't have solid proof of it, the fact that it was written about must give you even the tiniest shred of doubt that he wasn't a god. It's not a lot, but you can't say there is nothing at all. It doesn't pass our scale of solid proof, like the historical proof you approve of, but it's something.

Also, there are things we have no idea exist until they are discovered, such as new species, etc. How is that any different from a god? Only in this case, we won't know until we die.

Believe me when I say I am about as gnostic in my disbelief as you can be, but I just don't buy into true gnosticism about this subject.

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23-12-2014, 09:22 PM
RE: Would you claim a god doesn't exist for sure?
(23-12-2014 07:33 PM)Autumnflowers Wrote:  
(23-12-2014 04:52 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Click on the little links in blue. Seriously, who buys a Bible when the Fundies have put every conceivable version online for free? What a waste of perfectly good porn bandwidth.

I know that they call them Chapters but they're what real people call pages. Yes, it's BS but if you read those three pages with a critical eye it becomes blindingly obvious why major chunks of theology is BS. Great fun with apologists. And those are soft questions. Barely fill-in-the-bunk. Almost multiple-guess.

I just paused it not even mid way in and went WHAT?! WHAT?!
The darkness "God" called night and the light "God" Called day
no, humans did that o.0 way before a god would have came onto a earth if even possible. Facepalm you're not shitting i see why you say it's 100% bull

Oh dear. I fear that I may have created a monster.

OK, some background on the narrative seems to be required. Before the beginning there was God. God creates everything starting with light on day 1 and ending with humanity on day 6. It looks like you've made it to Gen 1:5 (Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 5) where God separated light from dark. People won't get created until Gen 1:26. We don't exist yet in this story so we won't be naming anything. Except the animals because God didn't name those for some reason.

Don't look at me like that. I do not make this shit up. I don't have to. It's crazy enough without my help.

Honestly, this isn't the bit that I thought would give you pause. Most people just read through the first creation story and don't hit much of a snag until the second creation story in chapter 2 of Genesis. Yeah, there are two creation stories and the second one is the older of the two.

If your disbelief suspenders are already frayed just five verses in then I fear that you may be in for a truly brutal disillusioning over the next few pages. The bits that are bothering you are relatively sane by biblical standards. You have been warned.

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23-12-2014, 09:57 PM
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