Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
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07-11-2013, 02:25 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
It's not a very practical question. On the other hand, it is quite a simple question with a simple intent. Until it gets more complicated. And experience suggests it's a Retarded question.
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07-11-2013, 03:08 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
(07-11-2013 02:25 PM)Christsays Wrote:  It's not a very practical question. On the other hand, it is quite a simple question with a simple intent. Until it gets more complicated. And experience suggests it's a Retarded question.

A question cannot be "retarded". The person asking it however, could be. Is that what you're implying?

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07-11-2013, 03:25 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
No, I would certainly not murder any single individual human being for a utopia. There is no rationalization or justification that validates destroying an individual's existence against their will.

Not only is this evil utopia achieved through murdering the existence of one person, it also violates the free will of every other individual that exists ever, by removing all crime and suffering by force this suggests that everyone else's nature has to forcefully changed as well, and their actions limited and prevented so that they can't perform certain actions. The premise of the argument seems to assume that this doesn't matter, and forgets that every single individual person is responsible for whatever actions they choose, it is up to an individual's free will whether to be morally good, or morally bad and cause suffering.

The world would be a better if everyone had the free will to be able to choose to be evil, but chose of their own free will against it, instead of not being evil only because they can't after a person was murdered in order to restrict their freedom.

I wouldn't even end my own life to create the hypothetical utopia; no one should have to be sacrificed or compromised to make the world a better place, if a 'utopia' demands that any one person has to be sacrificed for it, then that utopia simply isn't good enough.

That kind of utopian justification is everything that is wrong with the christian doctrine view of the world that somehow still seems to permeate other philosophical thinking for some reason; sacrifice and self-sacrifice are total bullshit. Fuck self-righteous utopian zealotry; fuck murder; if you can think of no better way that the world could be improved, then clearly you aren't thinking hard enough.

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07-11-2013, 03:55 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
(07-11-2013 03:08 PM)Heathen Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 02:25 PM)Christsays Wrote:  It's not a very practical question. On the other hand, it is quite a simple question with a simple intent. Until it gets more complicated. And experience suggests it's a Retarded question.

A question cannot be "retarded". The person asking it however, could be. Is that what you're implying?

The other way around might make more sense if we aren't to call both Retarded.

(07-11-2013 03:25 PM)MrAttacus Wrote:  No, I would certainly not murder any single individual human being for a utopia. There is no rationalization or justification that validates destroying an individual's existence against their will.

What do we do with this kid, for instance?
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07-11-2013, 04:07 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
(07-11-2013 03:55 PM)Christsays Wrote:  What do we do with this kid, for instance?

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07-11-2013, 06:02 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
I love how the entire topic of this thread was completely hypothetical, and instead of answering, people go on and on about how a utopia is retarded and how it's bullshit.

Well of course it's bullshit, you smart little dumb fuck. The thread didn't read "If you kill one person, I will make the world a Utopia." The thread stated a hypothetical question not to be taken seriously, but answered....

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07-11-2013, 06:14 PM (This post was last modified: 07-11-2013 06:20 PM by Hughsie.)
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
(07-11-2013 06:02 PM)Ferdinand Wrote:  I love how the entire topic of this thread was completely hypothetical, and instead of answering, people go on and on about how a utopia is retarded and how it's bullshit.

Well of course it's bullshit, you smart little dumb fuck. The thread didn't read "If you kill one person, I will make the world a Utopia." The thread stated a hypothetical question not to be taken seriously, but answered....

Ta-da. Shy

Excellent point. Plagiarised almost word for word from what I said on Skype but an excellent point. Big Grin

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07-11-2013, 06:27 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
(07-11-2013 06:14 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(07-11-2013 06:02 PM)Ferdinand Wrote:  I love how the entire topic of this thread was completely hypothetical, and instead of answering, people go on and on about how a utopia is retarded and how it's bullshit.

Well of course it's bullshit, you smart little dumb fuck. The thread didn't read "If you kill one person, I will make the world a Utopia." The thread stated a hypothetical question not to be taken seriously, but answered....

Ta-da. Shy

Excellent point. Plagiarised almost word for word from what I said on Skype but an excellent point. Big Grin

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(12-11-2011 08:01 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  "Love is merely chemistry" is a deception. We are merely chemistry. Love makes us master chemists.
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07-11-2013, 06:51 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
If you got to this "utopia", and found out it was full of constantly shiny, bouncy, happy people all over the friggin place, could you murder one of them to go back? Dodgy

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07-11-2013, 06:59 PM
RE: Would you murder 1 person for a utopia on earth?
Utopia is whatever you want it to be. It can be anything your imagination can come up with, because eventually you'll be fucking dead and never know you were wrong. Some find that comforting. Rolleyes

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