Would you work in a munitions factory?
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02-02-2012, 09:21 PM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
(02-02-2012 09:17 PM)Zat Wrote:  I tried -- you chickened out. Big Grin

Where did you try? Last I recall I asked you where you live so I could understand your us vs. them rant. I thought you refused to answer.
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02-02-2012, 09:43 PM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2012 09:57 PM by Zat.)
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
(02-02-2012 09:21 PM)Jeff Wrote:  Where did you try? Last I recall I asked you where you live so I could understand your us vs. them rant. I thought you refused to answer.

Jeff, it is possible that we do not speak the same language or, not on the same level.

I am a big-picture guy, can't be bothered to walk through twisted corridors.

I like the bird's-eye view: looking at the whole planet, the whole species, the entire human history from the remote past to the present and to the likely future.

I suggest we leave it at that. Judging by your previous posts, I am sure we would both waste our times trying to see eye-to-eye about this issue.

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02-02-2012, 10:16 PM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
(02-02-2012 12:28 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  Nope. In a debate such as this, intent is very relevant.

My intent is to be free of intention.

(01-02-2012 06:54 AM)Zat Wrote:  
(01-02-2012 12:10 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I wouldn't change a thing.
GirlyMan, you didn't actually answer my question.

If you were young again, starting out, and you had ONLY those three choices as listed in the OP (and you HAD TO choose one of them), which would you choose and why?

Fair enough. Bread factory. But not for any moral reasons. Even though I no longer eat flour 'cause of the insulin resistance, I still bake breads for the rest of the family. There's something therapeutic about the process for me.

(02-02-2012 03:37 PM)Jeff Wrote:  Every one of you boycotting the munitions factory are just raising my salary when I work there. Thank you.

There's a hiring freeze. You'll have to wait until one of us retires or dies.

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02-02-2012, 10:20 PM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
(02-02-2012 10:16 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Fair enough. Bread factory. But not for any moral reasons.

Even at half pay?

You must love making bread a LOT! Big Grin
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02-02-2012, 11:37 PM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
(02-02-2012 10:20 PM)Zat Wrote:  
(02-02-2012 10:16 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Fair enough. Bread factory. But not for any moral reasons.

Even at half pay?

You must love making bread a LOT! Big Grin

I'm making the assumption that all options provide a sufficient standard of living. If not then the game changes dramatically. ... Oh wait, that's why I keep working in a munitions factory. Wink

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03-02-2012, 02:04 AM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?




Fuck war.

For no matter how much I use these symbols, to describe symptoms of my existence.
You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

-Bemore.
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03-02-2012, 04:35 AM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
(02-02-2012 09:43 PM)Zat Wrote:  I am a big-picture guy, can't be bothered to walk through twisted corridors.

I like the bird's-eye view: looking at the whole planet, the whole species, the entire human history from the remote past to the present and to the likely future.

Maybe. You might find a few facts to be of interest, source linked below:

"Worldwide, deaths caused directly by war-related violence in the new century have averaged about 55,000 per year, just over half of what they were in the 1990s (100,000 a year), a third of what they were during the Cold War (180,000 a year from 1950 to 1989), and a hundredth of what they were in World War II. If you factor in the growing global population, which has nearly quadrupled in the last century, the decrease is even sharper. Far from being an age of killer anarchy, the 20 years since the Cold War ended have been an era of rapid progress toward peace. "

"Wars between big national armies all but disappeared along with the Cold War, taking with them the most horrific kinds of mass destruction. Today's asymmetrical guerrilla wars may be intractable and nasty, but they will never produce anything like the siege of Leningrad. The last conflict between two great powers, the Korean War, effectively ended nearly 60 years ago. The last sustained territorial war between two regular armies, Ethiopia and Eritrea, ended a decade ago. "

"If the world feels like a more violent place than it actually is, that's because there's more information about wars -- not more wars themselves. Once-remote battles and war crimes now regularly make it onto our TV and computer screens, and in more or less real time. Cell-phone cameras have turned citizens into reporters in many war zones. "

See full article from Foreign Policy
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03-02-2012, 06:30 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2012 07:30 AM by Zat.)
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
Too short-sighted, Jeff.

Is it possible that you are winning a battle and losing the war?

You see what I mean?

Not the same language, not the same perspective, at all.

You ignored my reasons and I ignore yours.

Let's not waste time on each other on this issue, OK? Tongue
PS.

I can't help wondering where the statistical data originated? Could it be the US Army that officially does not count civilian casualties?

Doesn't matter. What I said in my previous posts is your answer.
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03-02-2012, 07:35 AM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
Quote: Jeff:
"Worldwide, deaths caused directly by war-related violence in the new century have averaged about 55,000 per year, just over half of what they were in the 1990s (100,000 a year), a third of what they were during the Cold War (180,000 a year from 1950 to 1989), and a hundredth of what they were in World War II. If you factor in the growing global population, which has nearly quadrupled in the last century, the decrease is even sharper.

So, um, the global death-quota isn't being met because of slackers like us making bread instead of land-mines?

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03-02-2012, 08:56 AM
RE: Would you work in a munitions factory?
(03-02-2012 06:30 AM)Zat Wrote:  Let's not waste time on each other on this issue, OK? Tongue

No problem. I'm posting this for the other readers of the thread.



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