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08-12-2011, 09:55 AM
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Not to mention the American public in general will vote for a 3 legged buffalo with a glass eye if they think it will further the christian agenda.

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08-12-2011, 10:03 AM
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(08-12-2011 05:28 AM)Chas Wrote:  Which part of the separation of church and state isn't clear to him? All of it, I guess.
There is a real freakin' problem when presidential contenders don't understand the Constitution or the founders' intent.

Chas, I'm a huge proponent of properly understanding the "wall of separation" (which is a post-Constitution term), so I wonder if you would expound on the question which part isn't clear to him?

(My answer is the same as your...none of it is clear to him, but simply being an outspoken religious person isn't a violation of the separation of church and state doctrine.)

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08-12-2011, 11:22 AM
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I still don't get why Republicans don't love Obama. He's as right leaning as a Dem can be.

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08-12-2011, 11:24 AM
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(08-12-2011 11:22 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I still don't get why Republicans don't love Obama. He's as right leaning as a Dem can be.

1 word: Skin Color.

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08-12-2011, 11:30 AM
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Just more verification of the law of the fractal. This has become a nation of sheeple since the fifties and things will become more senseless before nodes of sense start to appear.

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08-12-2011, 11:34 AM (This post was last modified: 08-12-2011 11:38 AM by Chas.)
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(08-12-2011 10:03 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Chas, I'm a huge proponent of properly understanding the "wall of separation" (which is a post-Constitution term), so I wonder if you would expound on the question which part isn't clear to him?

(My answer is the same as your...none of it is clear to him, but simply being an outspoken religious person isn't a violation of the separation of church and state doctrine.)

Without subjecting myself to watching it again, he as much as said he would bring prayer back into the schools. Since public schools are a function of government, public or led prayer violates the non-establishment clause. (As long as there are pop-quizzes, there will be silent prayer.)
He also treads perilously close to, if not over, violating the spirit of the "no religious test" clause in the Constitution.

The phrase "a wall of separation between church and state" was probably coined by Thomas Jefferson, used it in a letter to Roger Williams.

Madison also wrote "total separation of church from the state", "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government ... as guaranteed by the Constitution...".
The constitutions of various colonies prior to the Constitution of the U.S., including Massachusetts and Virginia, guaranteed religious freedom and non-establishment.

Obviously, Madison and Jefferson (and many others) intended separation.

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08-12-2011, 12:02 PM
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(08-12-2011 11:24 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  
(08-12-2011 11:22 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I still don't get why Republicans don't love Obama. He's as right leaning as a Dem can be.

1 word: Skin Color.

Well, I hate to generalize like that. There is something def different in the thought process of people that like and dislike Obama. I'm fairly neutral. I dont' like many of his policies but also don't think that anyone from the Republican field could come anywhere close to doing a better job. They are spun by the Fox News rhetoric that they seem to love so much. They are actually convinced that Obama is a Marxist or Socialist. It couldn't be further from the truth. He is the most center-right Democrat in the Oval Office in recent history. If not ever.

Republican things Obama has done.
Spend lots of money
Extend the Patriot Act
Keep GITMO open
Continue with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Says God Bless America after each speech (except for Thanksgiving, oops)
Has not issued any form of amnesty for illegal immigrants like the Repub god Reagan
Has not increased taxes, in fact has lowered taxes
Bailed out the big corporations (just like Bush) and banks that Republican love so much
etc
etc
etc

I'm a slight right libertarian so I have a different perspetive than most who are partisan. I'm socially liberal, economically conservative, and pragmatic. I'd take Obama over any Republican other than Ron Paul and even RP scares me sometimes with his Christian anti gay marriage, anti abortion nonsense.

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08-12-2011, 12:11 PM
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(08-12-2011 11:34 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-12-2011 10:03 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  Chas, I'm a huge proponent of properly understanding the "wall of separation" (which is a post-Constitution term), so I wonder if you would expound on the question which part isn't clear to him?

(My answer is the same as your...none of it is clear to him, but simply being an outspoken religious person isn't a violation of the separation of church and state doctrine.)

Without subjecting myself to watching it again, he as much as said he would bring prayer back into the schools. Since public schools are a function of government, public or led prayer violates the non-establishment clause. (As long as there are pop-quizzes, there will be silent prayer.)
He also treads perilously close to, if not over, violating the spirit of the "no religious test" clause in the Constitution.

The phrase "a wall of separation between church and state" was probably coined by Thomas Jefferson, used it in a letter to Roger Williams.

Madison also wrote "total separation of church from the state", "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government ... as guaranteed by the Constitution...".
The constitutions of various colonies prior to the Constitution of the U.S., including Massachusetts and Virginia, guaranteed religious freedom and non-establishment.

Obviously, Madison and Jefferson (and many others) intended separation.

I'd agree with the "no religious test" part. That's what needs to be taught to the religious right who will only vote for a Born Again.

My my cynicism enters...so I'm not concerned about his ideas of separation of church and state. Yes, he wants to bring back prayer and set up concentration camps for the gays, but I guess my point is, he (nor any other candidate) has any sort of shot of making any sort of changes. The separation of powers is even stronger than separation of church and state, and the other two branches of power aren't going to let someone like that infringe on our constitutional rights.

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08-12-2011, 12:12 PM
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(08-12-2011 12:02 PM)germanyt Wrote:  ...

Yeah, what he said.

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08-12-2011, 12:13 PM
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(08-12-2011 12:02 PM)germanyt Wrote:  Well, I hate to generalize like that. There is something def different in the thought process of people that like and dislike Obama. I'm fairly neutral. I dont' like many of his policies but also don't think that anyone from the Republican field could come anywhere close to doing a better job. They are spun by the Fox News rhetoric that they seem to love so much. They are actually convinced that Obama is a Marxist or Socialist. It couldn't be further from the truth. He is the most center-right Democrat in the Oval Office in recent history. If not ever.

Republican things Obama has done.
Spend lots of money
Extend the Patriot Act
Keep GITMO open
Continue with wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
Says God Bless America after each speech (except for Thanksgiving, oops)
Has not issued any form of amnesty for illegal immigrants like the Repub god Reagan
Has not increased taxes, in fact has lowered taxes
Bailed out the big corporations (just like Bush) and banks that Republican love so much
etc
etc
etc

I don't mind the generality at all. It explains things like nothing else. Because as you point out, many of the issues you point out should be applauded by Republicans, but they despise the man, so it won't happen. Why do they despise him? He's smarter and more erudite than they are, so they can only resort to ad hominen attacks.

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