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23-12-2016, 06:44 AM
YES IT IS APT to compare Trump to WW2
The same hyper nationalism and appeal to German's Christian right wing population.

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23-12-2016, 06:56 AM
RE: YES IT IS APT to compare Trump to WW2
It's okay to say the H-word, Godwin was an idiot.
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23-12-2016, 07:28 AM
RE: YES IT IS APT to compare Trump to WW2
No, it is offensive to do so. You are welcome to use the term 'Hitlers rise to power' if you want.
To compare it to the war is an insult to the victims and survivors and families of men who fought in the war, like ME!
I am equally pissed off about the election results and current state of affairs, and fearful of the future.
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23-12-2016, 07:36 AM
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In Trump's case it does apply. If you are too fucking stupid to want to see it I cant help you

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23-12-2016, 07:39 AM
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You are a snot nosed melodramatic punk, and the only member here I could not stomach meeting in person. I'd rather shake bush jrs hand than yours and thats saying slot.
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23-12-2016, 07:55 AM
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Would be good to stick with the topic anyway.

I do see parallels and it does scare me.

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23-12-2016, 08:05 AM (This post was last modified: 23-12-2016 04:20 PM by Gloucester.)
RE: YES IT IS APT to compare Trump to WW2
I think it is vslid to compare Trump with WW3.

He reacts "in kind," apparently without thought, to Putin's pronouncements - and Putin is a skilled wind-up practioner.

Your president will get played like a mouse by Russia's cat unless wiser council sits on him and stops him twittering and shooting his mouth off at your national foot.

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23-12-2016, 08:16 AM
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(23-12-2016 07:28 AM)skyking Wrote:  No, it is offensive to do so. You are welcome to use the term 'Hitlers rise to power' if you want.

Comparing Trump to WWII is more idiotic than offensive, though I gather it was some bizarre mental shortcut. Now what you're proposing is valid even if little off: I know too little about Trump to dismiss possibility of his policies or rather statements/behavior reminding people of Nazi Germany leader but - with the little info and interest ind gathering more I currently have - I do not think that Trump is Hitler second coming.

Hitler spoke about killing Jews as early as 1922 (and if memory serves he talked about killing them as soon as 1918/1919). Trump isn't so direct from what little I saw. It does not mean that he can't be dangerous though.

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23-12-2016, 08:53 AM
RE: YES IT IS APT to compare Trump to WW2
Yes, Trump is abusing the hyper nationalism for his own power.

But the United States is not the Wiemar Republic after the Seminal Catastrophe that was The Great War (WWI). WWI had destroyed all of the old absolute monarchies that existed beforehand, including the nascent rule of the Kaisers of Germany. The Wiemar Republic that replaced it was almost instantly delegitimatized by it's signing of the Treaty of Versailles, and the massive war reparations that it saddled the already collapsed German economy. Germany was a hotbed of extremism of all flavors, running the gamut from anarchists to communists. Things got so bad that the Republic itself eventually reached out to Hitler and his National Socialists in order to protect themselves from said anarchists and communists, because they were perceived as the least terrible option.

The devil is in the details. The surrounding context, the geopolitical reality faced by the current United States is a far cry from the anemic and fractured Wiemar Republic being beset on all sides after losing the most costly war in history (to that time, only surpassed by WWII). Trump lost the popular vote, and won through a quirk of the electoral college and the electorate's general apathy with a democracy that can effectively run itself (and has done so) for decades. We did not rally around Trump to save us from roving bands of anarchists and communists, under the shadow of economic collapse; regardless of how much he tried to fear monger his way into office. Trump will not be made Chancellor or Führer. That's not to say that we drop our guard, only that we recognize the situation for what it actually is, and not what we fear it to be.

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23-12-2016, 09:08 AM
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(23-12-2016 08:53 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Yes, Trump is abusing the hyper nationalism for his own power.

But the United States is not the Wiemar Republic after the Seminal Catastrophe that was The Great War (WWI). WWI had destroyed all of the old absolute monarchies that existed beforehand, including the nascent rule of the Kaisers of Germany. The Wiemar Republic that replaced it was almost instantly delegitimatized by it's signing of the Treaty of Versailles, and the massive war reparations that it saddled the already collapsed German economy. Germany was a hotbed of extremism of all flavors, running the gamut from anarchists to communists. Things got so bad that the Republic itself eventually reached out to Hitler and his National Socialists in order to protect themselves from said anarchists and communists, because they were perceived as the least terrible option.

The devil is in the details. The surrounding context, the geopolitical reality faced by the current United States is a far cry from the anemic and fractured Wiemar Republic being beset on all sides after losing the most costly war in history (to that time, only surpassed by WWII). Trump lost the popular vote, and won through a quirk of the electoral college and the electorate's general apathy with a democracy that can effectively run itself (and has done so) for decades. We did not rally around Trump to save us from roving bands of anarchists and communists, under the shadow of economic collapse; regardless of how much he tried to fear monger his way into office. Trump will not be made Chancellor or Führer. That's not to say that we drop our guard, only that we recognize the situation for what it actually is, and not what we fear it to be.

Thing is, if he could, he would become Hitler like. Trump thinks he can do anything. And he is mentally ill, I have no doubt whatsoever that he is a malignant narcissist. He isn't all that educated or intelligent, but he is sly.

So far I see everyone excusing everything he does. His sons offer dinner with him for a million bucks and nobody cares. This after Clinton was called a crook for collecting money for speeches she gave, based on her education and experience.

Much of what is tolerated from him is just unbelievable to me, and listening to his supporters on CNN (educated people) gives me the shivers.

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