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18-03-2011, 09:39 PM
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I do support the rebels, but I don't like how the United States HAS to become the world policeman. We are already fighting two wars. Why do we need to open another front?

Also this might prolong the war in which it will lead with more deaths.

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18-03-2011, 09:46 PM
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(18-03-2011 09:39 PM)The Doctor Wrote:  I do support the rebels, but I don't like how the United States HAS to become the world policeman. We are already fighting two wars. Why do we need to open another front?
Amen to that. I keep on having the same conversation month after month, year after year. "If we spent the billions on education and infrastructure rather than death and destruction..."

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19-03-2011, 01:17 AM
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Gassykitten, I am to understand that you are seriously suggesting we sit by and do nothing? I am confused. You both express unwillingness to enter another conflict and fantasize about MG becoming a "cold flesh memory". Whatever that is. So which one is it?

I am quite proud of my (non EU) country's ability to react in this case. At a press conference one hour after the resolution was passed our minister of defense told us that all our military force is getting ready to move out as soon as someone gives the word.
This has never happened before.

For those of you who are concerned about the prize the U.S. will have to pay for this, you are aware that the plan at this point does not even involve the use of U.S. fighters? When the first Libyan jet is shot down, odds are it will be an Englishman or Frenchman pulling the trigger.

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19-03-2011, 02:50 AM
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(18-03-2011 09:39 PM)The Doctor Wrote:  I do support the rebels, but I don't like how the United States HAS to become the world policeman.
Thats my point exactly. The EU sits and waits while they could lead as well.

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19-03-2011, 03:49 AM
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Quote:Thats my point exactly. The EU sits and waits while they could lead as well.

Uhm , the EU is just a political-economic alliance.
In the military department we're in with NATO.
I'm curios ThinkingNorseman , isn't Norway a member of NATO - doesn't it need a green light from them or something ?
I wonder if the EU should have a military branch so we could just act and not sit around twiddling our thumbs , still Europeans are skeptical after the illegal war in Iraq so that may be a cause of hesitation.

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19-03-2011, 07:02 AM (This post was last modified: 19-03-2011 09:43 AM by Lilith Pride.)
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I think Gassy is talking about the good old assassinations that we haven't been employing recently. If we want a leader dead there's better ways than to start wars, but wars ensure that a nation will submit. If he dies tomorrow then the people will take their own stance. If other nations cause a big war then the people will have nothing to stand on. There are much cheaper and more efficient ways of taking things down than all out wars, you only need a war when a government is built of many things. A dictatorship becomes in disarray when the dictator is lost. Someone kills the dictator, and then the guy who claims to have killed the dictator to gain power, and eventually people stop trying to be the dictator. But, that's a cold and ruthless way to look at the world, better to let evil people live and bomb the fuck out of the people of the nation who are already being oppressed.

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19-03-2011, 08:08 AM
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(19-03-2011 03:49 AM)gaglamesh731 Wrote:  Uhm , the EU is just a political-economic alliance.
In the military department we're in with NATO.
I'm curios ThinkingNorseman , isn't Norway a member of NATO - doesn't it need a green light from them or something ?
I wonder if the EU should have a military branch so we could just act and not sit around twiddling our thumbs , still Europeans are skeptical after the illegal war in Iraq so that may be a cause of hesitation.

Yes we are, but no we don't. NATO is just an alliance of countries obligated to mutual defense. The NATO treaty says nothing about who we may or may not drop a bomb on. That bit is all in the hands of the UN.

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19-03-2011, 01:22 PM
 
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World leaders agree to military operation in Libya; French jet fires on military vehicle





(19-03-2011 01:17 AM)ThinkingNorseman Wrote:  Gassykitten, I am to understand that you are seriously suggesting we sit by and do nothing? I am confused. You both express unwillingness to enter another conflict and fantasize about MG becoming a "cold flesh memory". Whatever that is. So which one is it?

I am quite proud of my (non EU) country's ability to react in this case. At a press conference one hour after the resolution was passed our minister of defense told us that all our military force is getting ready to move out as soon as someone gives the word.
This has never happened before.

For those of you who are concerned about the prize the U.S. will have to pay for this, you are aware that the plan at this point does not even involve the use of U.S. fighters? When the first Libyan jet is shot down, odds are it will be an Englishman or Frenchman pulling the trigger.

For clarity, because I can help with that sometimes Tongue, "Cold Flesh Memory" =Dead

And Lilith read me exactly. If the U.S. wanted MG dead, he'd be dead. We have in our military special forces personnel who are specially trained for such things. They're that stuff of Hollywood's presumptive fictions, that fail miserably in relating the real life men engaged in these efforts. That Hollywood style bad ass. No name on any record, not even their special ops force has a name. But they're the baddest of the bad. And when they die, there's no funerals, no send off military style, no chance of Nancy Grace bringing up their loss years after they were killed in action, nothing.

It's like they say in prison. Anyone can get got. World leaders aren't exempt from that reality.

As far as the U.S. getting into this, it's a matter of association. We're the foremost member and the founding nation of the United Nations. We may not have dispatched forces off the coast yet, (or have we? Wink ) but this matter concerns everyone who's watching and has an opinion or made a vote for the Resolution.

Personally, I don't think we have a right to police the world. And in fairness the U.S. doesn't always do that. We only act when there's something in it for us. If there was an untapped resource for crude beneath the sands of third world countries where ethnic cleansing, slave labor to insure the mining of conflict metals for our western love of all things technology, we'd be kicking ass in Darfur right now. So that the guerrilla conflict, the civil war that claims lives, kidnaps children to make them into soldiers, makes gang rape of women a matter of war crime and business as usual, would have a new player in town. The U.S. military. Instead, what do we have? George Clooney!

As someone mentioned, we don't need this. We're already stretched in Iraq and Afghanistan. We don't need another battle zone, another war, that we can ill afford in many ways besides money.
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19-03-2011, 01:55 PM
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To the question of whether or not you have dispatched any forces yet, the 6th fleet, the USS Kearsarge and the USS Enterprise are already in place in the region, and have been for some time now. The USS Carl Vinson is also close by in the Arabian sea, currently serving the forces in Iraq, but ready to be deployed in Libya if it should prove necessary.
This is a good illustration of why you are the ones policing the world. Some parts of the world are desperately in need of policing and with your runaway military budget, you are without a doubt the perfect people to do it.

The way I see it Americans should be thrilled by the developments of the last few days. Another country is getting punched back into lie but because of the UN resolution, you don't have to bear the economic burden alone this time!

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19-03-2011, 02:04 PM
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The world has to respect what the Libyan rebels want. Most do not want foreign intervention, and many explicitly have stated they don't want US intervention. I'll have to find the article later to post it.

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