Yay for American gun laws
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
05-05-2014, 12:36 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 08:46 AM)Dom Wrote:  I don't, i am female and I don't stand a chance against a guy with a baseball bat.

I don't fancy getting painfully beat to death with one. I prefer it be over quickly.

I am talking about self defense here. Without my gun I don't stand a chance in hell, and if the other guy doesn't have a gun either, it would be one very painful last experience. I pass.

Right, and likewise firearms can also allow a single person to cause far more serious injury and death to far more individuals than they could otherwise beating, stabbing, strangling, or otherwise mauling people to death.

If you think that you need a weapon to defend yourself, then there is something fundamentally wrong with where you live. How do we go about fixing that? I don't know. I doubt that firearm legislation is a magical cure all. I can't help but draw lines between gun violence, gun access, education, wealth inequality, and religiosity. Which ones cause or affect the others is debatable, but one can't help but look at the liberal secular democracies of Europe and contrast it with the United States.

I think there is something fundamentally flawed with the society, and I think the best way correct that is from the ground up through education (once we fix education after we get money out of politics with a Constitutional Amendment, there are many steps to be taken here). We need to fundamentally undermine the underlying reasons why people think they need guns. I think that would be the best way to tackle the problem, but it's a very 'long game' take on the issue.

We need to get our society to the point where almost nobody can reasonably justify the need of keeping a weapon for self defense. That's a much bigger problem to tackle than just passing some token gun reform. Great Britain's beat cops (the bobbies) can do their jobs without needing guns, how amazing is that?

More and more British police are being issued with weapons now... Especially in London.

In Northern Ireland, all police are armed.

Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, tits... - George Carlin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
05-05-2014, 01:00 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Great Britain's beat cops (the bobbies) can do their jobs without needing guns, how amazing is that?
NZ police don't carry guns either.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
05-05-2014, 01:02 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 08:46 AM)Dom Wrote:  I don't, i am female and I don't stand a chance against a guy with a baseball bat.

I don't fancy getting painfully beat to death with one. I prefer it be over quickly.

I am talking about self defense here. Without my gun I don't stand a chance in hell, and if the other guy doesn't have a gun either, it would be one very painful last experience. I pass.

Right, and likewise firearms can also allow a single person to cause far more serious injury and death to far more individuals than they could otherwise beating, stabbing, strangling, or otherwise mauling people to death.

If you think that you need a weapon to defend yourself, then there is something fundamentally wrong with where you live. How do we go about fixing that? I don't know. I doubt that firearm legislation is a magical cure all. I can't help but draw lines between gun violence, gun access, education, wealth inequality, and religiosity. Which ones cause or affect the others is debatable, but one can't help but look at the liberal secular democracies of Europe and contrast it with the United States.

I think there is something fundamentally flawed with the society, and I think the best way correct that is from the ground up through education (once we fix education after we get money out of politics with a Constitutional Amendment, there are many steps to be taken here). We need to fundamentally undermine the underlying reasons why people think they need guns. I think that would be the best way to tackle the problem, but it's a very 'long game' take on the issue.

We need to get our society to the point where almost nobody can reasonably justify the need of keeping a weapon for self defense. That's a much bigger problem to tackle than just passing some token gun reform. Great Britain's beat cops (the bobbies) can do their jobs without needing guns, how amazing is that?

I actually agree. The solution isn't "remove guns" it's "treat the underlying causes of violence." And the big one: education. Our schools, particularly in urban areas, are in appalling condition. If we can get more people educated, both by reforming our k-12 schools and by perhaps investing in adult literacy and education programs, I think we'd see a significant reduction in violence, and a lessening need to carry guns for protection.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 5 users Like natachan's post
05-05-2014, 01:11 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 09:28 AM)Phaedrus Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 09:24 AM)wazzel Wrote:  I would prefer no intruder.

Sometimes the intruder has other ideas.
I'd prefer to run than to stand and fight in a gun fight.

Home invasions are incredibly rare, so I am not even worried about it.
Domestic violence on the other hand is common and some males are using guns to shoot their wives or partners.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
05-05-2014, 01:15 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
I can't speak for America but in Britain most home-invaders desperately wanna avoid confrontation and will run if they are confronted by someone. Reason being they know full well that a burglary charge will see them get a few years in prison. Assaulting or killing someone in their own home will turn those years into decades.

Best and worst of Ferdinand .....
Best
Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
Worst
Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
05-05-2014, 01:16 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 01:02 PM)natachan Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Right, and likewise firearms can also allow a single person to cause far more serious injury and death to far more individuals than they could otherwise beating, stabbing, strangling, or otherwise mauling people to death.

If you think that you need a weapon to defend yourself, then there is something fundamentally wrong with where you live. How do we go about fixing that? I don't know. I doubt that firearm legislation is a magical cure all. I can't help but draw lines between gun violence, gun access, education, wealth inequality, and religiosity. Which ones cause or affect the others is debatable, but one can't help but look at the liberal secular democracies of Europe and contrast it with the United States.

I think there is something fundamentally flawed with the society, and I think the best way correct that is from the ground up through education (once we fix education after we get money out of politics with a Constitutional Amendment, there are many steps to be taken here). We need to fundamentally undermine the underlying reasons why people think they need guns. I think that would be the best way to tackle the problem, but it's a very 'long game' take on the issue.

We need to get our society to the point where almost nobody can reasonably justify the need of keeping a weapon for self defense. That's a much bigger problem to tackle than just passing some token gun reform. Great Britain's beat cops (the bobbies) can do their jobs without needing guns, how amazing is that?

I actually agree. The solution isn't "remove guns" it's "treat the underlying causes of violence." And the big one: education. Our schools, particularly in urban areas, are in appalling condition. If we can get more people educated, both by reforming our k-12 schools and by perhaps investing in adult literacy and education programs, I think we'd see a significant reduction in violence, and a lessening need to carry guns for protection.

I think everyone can agree with that...

'cept them bastard fundamentalists. They're bound to take issue with anything that makes people smarter.

Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, tits... - George Carlin.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
05-05-2014, 01:19 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 01:11 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 09:28 AM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Sometimes the intruder has other ideas.
I'd prefer to run than to stand and fight in a gun fight.

Home invasions are incredibly rare, so I am not even worried about it.Domestic violence on the other hand is common and some males are using guns to shoot their wives or partners.

Yabut, not in the USA Dodgy

If bullshit were music some people would be a brass band.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like War Horse's post
05-05-2014, 01:23 PM (This post was last modified: 05-05-2014 01:41 PM by wazzel.)
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 01:11 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 09:28 AM)Phaedrus Wrote:  Sometimes the intruder has other ideas.
I'd prefer to run than to stand and fight in a gun fight.

Home invasions are incredibly rare, so I am not even worried about it.
Domestic violence on the other hand is common and some males are using guns to shoot their wives or partners.

You think removing a gun is going to stop one partner from abusing the other? It is not just men that are the abuser. Women abuse men just about as much as men abuse women.

Edit: - not sure where you are from but here is an article from the UK showing men are the victims 40% of the time. It is supected it is more, but goes under reported due to social pressure for men to be tough or what not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/articl...-rise.html
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like wazzel's post
05-05-2014, 01:26 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 01:00 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(05-05-2014 11:57 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Great Britain's beat cops (the bobbies) can do their jobs without needing guns, how amazing is that?
NZ police don't carry guns either.

Wikipedia Wrote:New Zealand Police officers do not normally carry firearms while on standard patrol, but routinely carry pepper spray and batons. However, all police officers in New Zealand are given basic firearms training. Tasers fitted with cameras were introduced following a decision by Commissioner Broad in August 2008 as an additional non-lethal weapon. By 2012 there were 908 Tasers available to police nationwide. Figures show that a 'disproportionate number of people' targeted by police Tasers were mental health patients.

Non-commissioned officers and specialist officers such as dog handlers and crime squad detectives often have a secure container within their police vehicle containing firearms; usually Glock 17 pistols as well as Bushmaster M4A3 XM15 carbines. Weapons may be issued to front line staff in an armed response to a serious incident under the supervision of a senior officer. An armed response by police to an incident will usually be considered a newsworthy event by the media.

Following an attack on a Kawhia police officer by a group of men in January, 2013, the Police Association called for police officers to be armed. Police Commissoner Peter Marshall rejected the plea, saying it was "not a time for political point-scoring exercises"

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
05-05-2014, 01:31 PM
RE: Yay for American gun laws
(05-05-2014 01:15 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  I can't speak for America but in Britain most home-invaders desperately wanna avoid confrontation and will run if they are confronted by someone. Reason being they know full well that a burglary charge will see them get a few years in prison. Assaulting or killing someone in their own home will turn those years into decades.

You are conflating the terms 'home invader' and 'burglar'. A home invasion is when the perpetrators know full well that the home is occupied.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply
Forum Jump: