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18-06-2015, 07:54 PM
RE: You don't need to die.
(18-06-2015 07:49 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 07:40 PM)enochian Wrote:  On the path to rainbow body one experiences the 4 visions.

Even a couple of western people who seriously practiced Dzogchen in retreat, saw the same thing as described in classical texts.

The 4 visions slowly develop in a specific stepwise fashion over a couple of decades.

Nothing like hallucinations.

First you see the heads of seated Buddhas develop, followed gradually by the bodies. Then one sees various yab-yum images gradually develop (google yab yum).

You don't think it dubious that these people claim to see exactly what they were trained or intended to see?

I'm still waiting for evidence. Drinking Beverage

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18-06-2015, 08:03 PM (This post was last modified: 18-06-2015 08:26 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: You don't need to die.
(18-06-2015 07:40 PM)enochian Wrote:  On the path to rainbow body one experiences the 4 visions.

Even a couple of western people who seriously practiced Dzogchen in retreat, saw the same thing as described in classical texts.

The 4 visions slowly develop in a specific stepwise fashion over a couple of decades.

Nothing like hallucinations.

First you see the heads of seated Buddhas develop, followed gradually by the bodies. Then one sees various yab-yum images gradually develop (google yab yum).

And you know they're nothing like hallucinations how? Do you have expertise in hallucinations? Shall we compare notes?

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18-06-2015, 08:04 PM
RE: You don't need to die.
(18-06-2015 07:40 PM)enochian Wrote:  On the path to rainbow body one experiences the 4 visions.

Even a couple of western people who seriously practiced Dzogchen in retreat, saw the same thing as described in classical texts.

The 4 visions slowly develop in a specific stepwise fashion over a couple of decades.

Nothing like hallucinations.

First you see the heads of seated Buddhas develop, followed gradually by the bodies. Then one sees various yab-yum images gradually develop (google yab yum).

Is LSD involved? Sounds like LSD. Blotter, I think.

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18-06-2015, 08:13 PM
RE: You don't need to die.
(18-06-2015 07:49 PM)pablo Wrote:  You don't think it dubious that these people claim to see exactly what they were trained or intended to see?

The method doesn't work like that.

Its not meditation or anything like that.
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18-06-2015, 08:16 PM
RE: You don't need to die.
(18-06-2015 08:13 PM)enochian Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 07:49 PM)pablo Wrote:  You don't think it dubious that these people claim to see exactly what they were trained or intended to see?

The method doesn't work like that.

Its not meditation or anything like that.

Try "quantum physics" as an explanation. That usually works for Deepak Chopra. Dodgy

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18-06-2015, 08:24 PM
RE: You don't need to die.
(18-06-2015 08:13 PM)enochian Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 07:49 PM)pablo Wrote:  You don't think it dubious that these people claim to see exactly what they were trained or intended to see?

The method doesn't work like that.

Its not meditation or anything like that.

What the hell are you smoking ? I need some of that.

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18-06-2015, 08:24 PM
You don't need to die.
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18-06-2015, 08:29 PM
RE: You don't need to die.
(18-06-2015 08:13 PM)enochian Wrote:  
(18-06-2015 07:49 PM)pablo Wrote:  You don't think it dubious that these people claim to see exactly what they were trained or intended to see?

The method doesn't work like that.

Its not meditation or anything like that.

Does it cost $29.95 a month?

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18-06-2015, 08:32 PM
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(18-06-2015 08:24 PM)Leo Wrote:  What the hell are you smoking ? I need some of that.

I'm just a Buddhist.
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18-06-2015, 08:32 PM
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OK kids ---

Pay attention...

Cuz this is the kind of nonsense you'll see - if you keep doing all those crappy street drugs.........

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Any questions??

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