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22-02-2015, 04:54 PM
You're being overemotional
Sometimes people get mad and react with emotional states. Often someone will tell the former that they're being emotional and therefore their point is irrational.

I don't like this idea - Being emotional doesn't mean being irrational, it just means you are being emotional. I can make a very good, rationally and logically valid argument that carries emotional baggage demonstrated by my language, tone and/or body reaction. It's not worth less than an argument present with an emotionless tone.

Emotional means irrational if my whole point is supported merely by emotional states, but if I present logic and reason it's still rational.

I just wanted to share this idea:

Someone being emotional is not equivalent to being wrong. If someone tells me that rape is right and I happen to be a rape victim (this is a random example) I will most likely react negatively and enter a very emotional state (anger, crying..), but I can still present a logically coherent argument to counter the former point.

Telling someone you're being emotional and therefore irrational doesn't look like a valid argument for me.

This is also true for atheists, Dawkins sometimes (in my opinion wrongly) classifies his opinion as magically always logical and other people's opinion as emotional (on Twitter), forgetting a point can be rationally valid while clearly demonstrating an emotional side

P.S. - Don't confuse what I'm saying with the famous appeal to emotion fallacy

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22-02-2015, 06:51 PM
RE: You're being overemotional
Emotions are to the mind what pain is to the body - a signal.

Ignoring them or declaring them bad is - not smart.

They can be of different intensities, and they can help or hinder.

It all depends....

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22-02-2015, 10:08 PM
RE: You're being overemotional
Great point. Passion especially may be misinterpreted as manifesting biased emotionalism. Hitchens, for example, would become very emotional when addressing the evils of religion.

Depends on the basis for the emotion.
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23-02-2015, 06:38 AM
RE: You're being overemotional
You might not like the idea - because it riles your emotions,....

Big Grin

But seriously -- emotions are part of life -- but, should be checked (not IN check - but checked) when making decisions. You have to question yourself - which is something that most people are less than enthusiastic about doing.

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23-02-2015, 07:04 AM
RE: You're being overemotional
The rationality of the statement depends on how in control the person being "emotional" is. The amygdala, which is among other things responsible for emotional response, gets first dibs on perceived information. Under normal circumstances, it then allows the neocortex to have it's say, leaving the option for a response based both on emotion and logic. If, however, a threat is perceived, which is often the case during a heated argument, the amygdala takes complete control. After this point, logic is irrelevant and the statement would not be incorrect.

That said, it's still the wrong thing to say. Informing someone in the midst of amygdala hijack will not return partial control to the neocortex. Only removing the perceived threat can do that. Thus, the most rational option is simply to agree with them, wait for their amygdala to return partial control to the neocortex, and then change your mind and resume disagreeing. The so called emotional person, tired from the brief adrenaline rush and in need of an emotional recharge, will then be less likely to immediately revert to amygdala hijack and the rational conversation can continue uninterrupted.

The human mind is just a biochemical chain of cause and effect. Without understanding that, debating or arguing is itself an irrational action that is unlikely to produce results for either of the involved individuals.

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23-02-2015, 09:54 AM
RE: You're being overemotional
Angry


Whew. Sorry 'bout that.
Didn't mean to feel so much, there.

I'll try to smooth that out all robot-like and try to have someone else's life. Drinking Beverage

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23-02-2015, 10:16 AM
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Emotions (can) allow us to make good decisions quickly when stopping to think it over is not a realistic option. They do have their place. It's not chance that the older, reptilian amygdala has maintained veto power as the human brain has evolved on top of it. Evolution has its reasons for what it does Smile

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