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25-02-2013, 01:01 PM
RE: You're either with us, or you're against us
It sets up an "us vs. them" dichotomy, a nice way of manipulating the masses by banking on fear and hatred. It's one of the simplest methods of pulling humans apart from one another: homogenize a specific set of values for the group while viciously ostracizing anybody who deviates from the strict standards. It breeds fear, contempt, intolerance, and cruelty. The fact that a US president supported such a mentality is abhorrent.

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25-02-2013, 02:16 PM
RE: You're either with us, or you're against us
"The fact that a US president supported such a mentality is abhorrent."

And in keeping with politics.

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25-02-2013, 02:30 PM
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Yes, and that makes it all the worse. All calls for patriotism in the US hinge on disparaging a group of people.

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25-02-2013, 02:36 PM
RE: You're either with us, or you're against us
(25-02-2013 02:30 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  All calls for patriotism in the US hinge on disparaging a group of people.

"Patriotism" is an evil dressed up as virtue and glorified beyond all belief so that we can go on hating and killing each other with a clear conscience.

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25-02-2013, 02:42 PM
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You saw with Bush and now you see it with Obama. Until politics in the US has a drastic housecleaning, it will continue. Our elected "representatives" use this argument in order to stop people from think it through themselves and perhaps thinking of alternative solutions that don't line their bank account.

Sure some issues are boolean but there are few complex issues that can ever be treated that way.
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25-02-2013, 02:50 PM
RE: You're either with us, or you're against us
I completely agree with some of the replies here. The statement forces a predisposition to polarized viewpoints while excluding any possibility of partial agreement or total apathy. Some might argue that apathy falls into the "against us" category, but I'd disagree. If Willie Von Hoobstank in Wisconsin wants to remodel his house to resemble an Escher drawing, I can easily be quite apathetic on the subject without being against him.

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25-02-2013, 02:50 PM
RE: You're either with us, or you're against us
"You saw with Bush and now you see it with Obama. Until politics in the US has a drastic housecleaning, it will continue."

It will still continue.

"Our elected "representatives" use this argument in order to stop people
from think it through themselves and perhaps thinking of alternative
solutions that don't line their bank account. "

Indeed. And the next group of sociopaths will have bank accounts in need of lining.

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