"You're just blind" - Theist (Omegle)
31-07-2012, 02:27 AM
"You're just blind" - Theist (Omegle)
I know, I'm kinda spamming with this stuff as of late, but I asked the mods to make a new section for these kind of topics, so that they can move these threads in there.
Anyway, this is yet another chatlog with a friendly Christian, ending with him insulting me and disconnecting. Have fun!
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You and the stranger both like Religion.
Stranger: So what do you believe in
You: Nothing. What about you?
Stranger: Im a christian
You: Catholic, Protestant, ... ?
Stranger: Non demoninational
Stranger: But do u believe that there are Gods
Stranger: Or u an atheist
You: I don't like labels
You: But I'm an agnostic atheist by definition
Stranger: Bro its either you do believe or you dont
You: That's a bit oversimplified, don't you think?
Stranger: Why cant it be?
You: Give me a second
You: Agnostic atheism , also called atheistic agnosticism , is a philosophical doctrine that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. An agnostic atheist is atheistic, in that he or she does not believe that any deities exist, but is also agnostic, in that he or she does not claim access to definitive knowledge of this. The agnostic atheist can be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who is theistic, in that he or she does believe that one or more deities exist, but is also agnostic, in that he or she does not claim access to definitive knowledge of this.
Agnostic atheism should not be confused with weak atheism, which makes no reference to knowledge. It is possible for an agnostic atheist to subscribe to either strong or weak atheism, independently of his agnosticism.
Individuals identifying as agnostic atheists may justify their position by reference to epistemology, theory of justification or Occam's razor.
Bertrand Russell uses the example of the celestial teapot. He argues that although it is impossible to know that the teapot does not exist, most people would not believe in it.
Stranger: Oh so your believing in a doctrine that someone else wrote because it doesnt sound simple
You: No, that's the point, there is no doctrine for agnostic atheism. What I just gave you is the dictionary definition of the term "agnostic atheism"
Stranger: Dont get caught up i all that crap. Let me ask you something to you worship anything in your life. Because everyone worships at least one thing
You: That's incorrect. I, for one, don't worship anything
You: Nothing supernatural, at the very least
Stranger: Yeah it doesnt have to be supernatural
Stranger: Im talking matilerialistic
You: Well, how does one worship something that is not supernatural?
Stranger: Suppose i masturbate to porn everday
Stranger: I am worshipping porn
You: Not really, to be honest. That's just you masturbating
Stranger: But thats not the point, its consistent
Stranger: I enjoy doing it
You: Worship doesn't have anything to do with doing something consistently, though
Give me a second
reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
the object of adoring reverence or regard.
( initial capital letter ) British . a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually preceded by Your, His, or Her ).
Stranger: Yes l maybe that was a bad example but It says you can worship objects
You: Indeed. In that case I don't worship anything
Stranger: You dont strive for money?
You: No, I have everything I need. I'm not a fan of luxus
You: As long as I can pay my bills, I'm fine
Stranger: okay look
Stranger: what do you want most in your life
You: That'd be an abstract answer
You: Such as "happiness" or "wisdom"
Stranger: ddont look at it as a tricky question
Stranger: just answer it as if one answer popped in your head
You: Yeah, these are the answers that popped in my head
Stranger: if you dont mind me asking why are you not happy?
You: The world is a horrible place, to be honest
Stranger: yeah it is
You: I'd be insane to claim I'm happy while knowing what's going on
Stranger: let me explain to you where im at with my faith in God and you can read and take it in or you can not, tthats totally fine.
Stranger: I dont like labels either
You: I used to be a Baptist
Stranger: in fact i dont like to be called a christian because many people have their own opinions and hyprocritcal view points on them
Stranger: i do believe this is one God
Stranger: who made this earth and us
Stranger: who knew us before we were even born
Stranger: he designed us to be exactly what we are today
You: How do you know all this?
Stranger: because I read the Bible
You: That leads to the next question. How do you know the Bible is valid?
Stranger: i know it is
Stranger: there are stories in the Bible in which relate to my life
You: The Bible is valid because you know it's valid? That's circular reasoning
Stranger: then how do you know its false?
You: Because it contains contradictions, historical inaccuracies, supernatural phenomena recorded by people who thought that sacrificing goats would heal their diseases
Stranger: historical inaccuracies...
Stranger: the Bible was written before, between, and after Jesus death
Stranger: it predicted that Jesus would be born and die on the cross
You: Just as an example, the Bible claims that the Egypts enslaved an entire race (the Jews) and that their army drowned in the red sea.
You: What you're mentioning is a self-fulfilling prophecy
Stranger: oh so a God that created the very universe that we're in cant drown a few opposers?
You: I'm saying that recent archeological investigations contradict that claim
Stranger: what recent investigations
You: If an entire army had been drowned in the sea, we would have evidence for it, such as their equipment
Stranger: so where is the red sea now?
You: What'd you mean?
Stranger: is the red sea present
Stranger: oh so they gave up trying to find the equipment of the soliders because a hug mass of waters is blocking their way
You: What are you talking about? Christians claimed that they found parts of the armies equipment, archeologists investigated it and found out it was a hoax
You: The parts were recent, not thousands of years old
Stranger: you're not being specific
Stranger: what are you talking about
Stranger: who were these Christians
Stranger: who are the archeologist
Stranger: theres not enough evidence to prove that point
You: What point?
Stranger: now you lost me..
Stranger: you want solid proof to believe in something
Stranger: but there isnt any solid proof out there
You: But of course, that's just logical
You: Then why do you still belief?
Stranger: because i believe in something
Stranger: why am i here
Stranger: who made me
Stranger: what you simple dont care about how you were here
You: Who says that I don't care about it? Science is able to explain that very well
Stranger: oh great
Stranger: dont get started with science
Stranger: 1 billion years have passed and thats how we are here
You: (also, here's the link for the archeological findings: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/c...heels.htm)
You: Have you heard about the Evolution theory?
Stranger: and yet it takes us 2000 years to get to such a technological age
Stranger: plus your website there says truthorfiction which made me laugh because its saying it could be fake or not
You: It's easy to dismiss a website based on it's name or interface, why don't you actually read it and refute it's content?
Stranger: because everything on the internet is writte by someone and that someone can be wrong
You: That's why you do research on it on multiple websites
You: Do you want more than this source?
Stranger: thats a waste of time
Stranger: the Bible is the only proof i need to fully understand my life
Stranger: serach up dead sea scrolls and believe it you want
You: Which brings us back to the question: Why do you accept the Bible as proof?
You: What about the dead sea scrolls?
Stranger: because it is the oldest proof we have on earth
Stranger: the oldest book
Stranger: written in hebrew
You: That's a logical fallacy, called "appeal to tradition". Just because it's older doesn't mean that it's any more valid. The Bible claims that the earth is flat, yet we know that it's a sphere.
You: Do you believe that the earth is flat?
Stranger: the Bible did not claim any shape of the earth
Stranger: it just calls it earth
You: But of course it did. The Bible talks about the four corners of the earth
Stranger: yeah thats a figure of speech its literally saying they're four corners
You: Actually, it wasn't intended to be that way. Up until a few hundred years ago, it was widely believed that the earth was literally flat
You: Scientists are the ones who pointed out that it was actually around because they observed the coming and going of ships
Stranger: researches not scientists
You: Galileo Galilei was a scientists. But anyway, there are other examples, such as: The sun revolves around the earth
Stranger: where are u getting these examples
Stranger: you simply listing everything you read on the internet
You: Do you want me to provide you with the verses from the Bible?
You: You can read it up yourself in your Bible
Stranger: which tells me you put your life on soemthing that someone else wrote
You: Revelation 7:1
"After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree."
You: Look in your Bible, does it say something else?
You: I'm using your source, which you say is valid
Stranger: you say something that neither of us understand
Stranger: reading does not mean you fully understand
Stranger: simply becuase you do not know the context
You: In what context is scientific inaccuracy supposed to be alright?
Stranger: its scientific
Stranger: how do angels relate to sceience
You: That's the point
Stranger: no its not
Stranger: you're a fool
You: The Bible claims that supernatural beings exist and you have no evidence for them other than the Bible
Stranger: all this doubt because you cant put a single heartbeat into faith
You: Faith is believing without evidence. The same way you can justify believing in Allah
Stranger: yet Allah is God
You: ... or the belief in polytheistic religions
You: Such as Hinduism
You: With thousands of different Gods
Stranger: why make it so difficult
You: (also, calling me a fool instead of making a coherent argument is known as the "ad hominem" fallacy)
Stranger: to worship so many Gods when you have one
Stranger: i love these terms
You: It's less difficult not to believe in any God
Stranger: that people make up so it just helps you "understand" more
Stranger: you can argue with an agnoistic atheist whatever and have different view points as well
You: Sure, I don't doubt that
Stranger: and yet you're all in alone in your own world thinking that what you believe is right
You: I don't need to believe it, I have the facts to back it up
You: And what makes you think that you are less lonely if you believe in God?
Stranger: what facts
Stranger: those are not facts
You: It's not a fact that we have no evidence to prove the existence of God?
Stranger: i pity you
You: Is that supposed to be an answer to my question?
You: Also, telling me that you pity me is yet another fallacy, known as "appeal to emotion". It's time for you to start using coherent arguments
Stranger: you're just blind
Stranger: listen to kwve 107.9 fm
Stranger: hopefully you will be saved
Your conversational partner has disconnected.
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