Young Adult Sterilization [Miniature Rant]
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19-05-2017, 05:02 AM
RE: Young Adult Sterilization [Miniature Rant]
(19-05-2017 04:36 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  
(19-05-2017 04:27 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  It should be last resort cause of your experience?

I see no reason for sterilization being taboo, last resort, etc. People should be free to make such choice without convincing others that they really, really want to do it.
Not at all, but in my personal opinion, why do something that permanent to your body when there are other options on the table first. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for being an option, and no matter of my opinion would I be bothered about the outcome either way, but again I just think it's something that could be avoided if necessary. If anything, it's just a personal thing on my part. Right now, I don't want any more children but wouldn't have a vasectomy, as I like my "parts" the way they are, nothing to do with kids at all.

My example was given as a "I'm one of those people who said 'Never' to kids" and it worked out much differently than my, then, perception of what having kids would be like. I'm well aware some people really don't do kids in any fashion and others, when they do have them, don't take to it at all. But again it was my personal example.

You might think that non permanent options are good but others may see things differently and they should be free to do so even if later they will regret their choice.

Maybe getting sterilized shouldn't be as easy as buying condoms but despite this procedure permanency I see no problem with it. Sure, some people may regret their decision but life is full of regrets and freedom is important part of it.

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19-05-2017, 06:04 AM
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That's fair enough. Again was only my personal opinion, and if it ever came to be and people did do something they regret, then that's their own fault lol. People should be allowed to do pretty much anything they want, as long as it isn't hurting anybody else.

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19-05-2017, 06:31 AM
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(18-05-2017 09:11 PM)Dom Wrote:  I never wanted children. And now, that I am old and watching my peers who do have children, I feel twice as good about not having had any...

My thoughts precisely Dom. Me and my former wife never wanted children, and like you—when I see the tribulations, abuse, despondency, and lack of socialisation amongst today's kids—I feel twice as good about my decision. I totally reject bizarre notions such as "you don't feel complete until you've had kids" or "kids bring untold joy into your life" or (the most stupid) "who'll look after you when you're older?"

I had a vasectomy in my early 30s, and my then wife had a tubal ligation at the same age—much to the horror of both pairs of conservative parents, and siblings—but we never once, nor do now, regret that decision.

In Australia, it's far more difficult for someone in their 20s with no children to get sterilised than it is, say, for a 40-year-old with 2 or 3 kids. There's still a quaint old 20th century negative morality about sterilisation lingering on like a fart in an elevator.

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19-05-2017, 06:40 AM
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To have or not to have children is a simple physical, hormonal thing.

If you are endowed with a strong drive to procreate plus the requisite hormone levels, you will feel drawn to procreating like all the other animals.

If either your instinct or the hormone levels or both are different, you won't have the physical or psychological urge. That just leaves societal expectations.

No one should have to feel compelled to have children because of societal pressure.

Perhaps the growing number of people who do not have any desire for kids is evolution's way of trying to stem over population.

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19-05-2017, 06:47 AM
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I have no intentions of having kids. First, I'm asexual, second, I'd have to discontinue some of my anxiety medication, third, the hormonal and bodily changes would probably increase my anxiety tenfold, fourth, I'd make a shitty parent (unless it's a lizard), and lastly, I'd much rather adopt if I ever changed my mind. Which I won't.

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19-05-2017, 12:12 PM
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I do like the point that Szuchow pointed out, that we should not have to convince our doctors to do anything for us.
Yes, we should weigh our options with our doctor but no one really needs to convince a doctor that someone needs a tummy tuck or something of the sort when they ask for cosmetic/lifestyle surgery. I think it's ridiculous the lengths we have to go through to be childless...
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19-05-2017, 12:19 PM
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(19-05-2017 12:12 PM)Larai19 Wrote:  I do like the point that Szuchow pointed out, that we should not have to convince our doctors to do anything for us.
Yes, we should weigh our options with our doctor but no one really needs to convince a doctor that someone needs a tummy tuck or something of the sort when they ask for cosmetic/lifestyle surgery. I think it's ridiculous the lengths we have to go through to be childless...
"Convincing" doctor that one truly do not want children is just insulting - as if one declaration wasn't enough. Guess kids are social expectation so deeply ingrained that people find not wanting them inconceivable. I find it disastrous - without pressure on having kids there would be less suffering caused by idiots whose only qualification for being "parents" is having dick and pussy.

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19-05-2017, 12:27 PM
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There's so many reasons for me not to have kids, not least of which are the overpopulation problem and my many inheritable health problems. Plus I wouldn't wish this world on anybody, and there's loads of kids already needing homes if I ever did want one. I don't have the thing some people have where they can only love kids who look quite a lot like them Tongue

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19-05-2017, 12:37 PM
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People should be able to do with/to their bodies whatever they want to. I'm all for a social state that protects and takes care of its citizens, but up to a certain point and that point is telling their citizens what to do with their bodies (when it doesn't concern anyone else *but* the person in question). Anybody else's opinion doesn't really matter.

Me, I've never felt the need to pass on my precious genes or to dedicate the rest of my life to a mini-me (and the neighbours' spawn (NOT baby mind you!), wailing (and I use the word wisely) several times during the day *and* night ain't helping change my mind) and that's unlikely to change. You never know, of course, but yeah - I'd be most surprised of all Rolleyes

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19-05-2017, 12:45 PM
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I honestly didn't expect this thread to be so pro-sterilization... XD Or at the very least I thought there would be some controversy.

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