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27-05-2012, 01:39 AM
RE: Young Atheists/Life long atheists please chime in.
Always been an atheist and I swear to God I always be.

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27-05-2012, 01:43 AM
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(26-05-2012 03:21 PM)Superluminal Wrote:  I think a lot of "atheists" who go back to being religious, were "atheists" for the wrong reasons to begin with. They were "mad at God," or became an atheist as an emotional crutch for some reason.
I can testify of that,
I once got in an argument with the folks at church about my appearance and got so mad I bunked church and called myself an atheist, during that period as an "atheist", I started dating for the first time and when my relationship didn't work out I ran back to church and recommitted myself. But somehow a lot of stuff in church didn't make any sense any more, and for the first time ever I started questioning a lot of the religious beliefs, had so many questions that even during prayers I would be looking around wondering what the heck was wrong with people.
I mean I knew that during the years when I was a true believer some of the things like praying in tongues I forced them and usually during prayers my mind would just roam off and just think about many things. I was curious as to whether this guys were for real, they actually felt something that I personally didn't feel, that's when I started searching atheist sites, reading psychology articles and watching documentaries and a lot of the questions I had were answered and have never looked back ever since.
I am now a very proud atheist in a highly religious country...

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27-05-2012, 11:34 AM
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My current stance is of an agnostic atheist. I'm searching for a good reason to believe in God, and I heard quite a few suggestions.

"God created everything" - Well, from the Big Bang, to abiogenesis, to evolution, such processes do not need a God in the first place. God is quite redundant. Looking into the biological world, he seems like a sadistic and incompetent designer. He set the constant and let the universe take it's course of growth? Not really, for those constants only lead to the type of life we recognise in the first place. Tweak the constants a little bit? We may have a whole new set of physical laws, which leads to a whole new set of elements, which leads to a whole new set of life. Not a good reason to believe.

"God loves you" -
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Now tell that to the terminally ill and the disadvantaged in their faces.

"Where would you go when you die?" - Cease to exist. Is it that hard? Hard to accept for some, out of desperate fear it seems. An eternal paradise is a nice place, who wouldn't want to stay in such a place. Promise people of a wondrous afterlife if they listen to you and do good. It's a nice motivation for people to do good, as it pays off in the end. For some, they want justice. That serial killer and rapist who rapes little children actually won the lottery? And he got away without any charges? Where is the justice in this? The rapist MUST BE PUNISHED! And thus the concept of a final judgement is born, to separate the sinners and send them to a place of eternal torment. "Oh don't worry, I'm sure the rapist will go to hell when he dies. See, you feel better after invoking imaginary future justice on a person" Death's an eternal rest, so enjoy life while you can. Treasure the small things.

"God brings you comfort" - To use forum member DLJ's analogy (thanks in advance), God is like a comfort blanket to believers, an imaginary friend who is there to guide people and bring joy and comfort to their lives. Worried? Pray to God. Happy? Praise God and thank him. Bad luck? Ask God for guidance and strength. Angry? Ask God to forgive the offender, or for the more radical ones, ask God to send the person to hell. It's a one-way conversation that makes you feel better psychologically. Theists are a happy bunch in my opinion, as they have an outlet for their emotions regardless of time and place. We atheists usually have our own selves to turn to in times of desolation and crisis, and that is the point. How much do you believe in yourself? Not in the sense of "I AM MY OWN GOD.", but more of how much do you trust your own decisions and thoughts. Being a social atheist is important too, we have one less way to relieve ourselves from the burden of emotions.

"God set the standard for morality, where do you think you get your morals from?" -

1) The Ten Commandments, you believe and abide by them? Every single one of them?
2) On what basis do you believe that these commandments are morally right?
3) On what basis do you reject the rest of the laws in this book and the following books?
4) On what basis are the Ten Commandments not outdated compared to the laws?

Jesus teaches you to be good? Why not also follow the words of Confucius and Buddha? They preach similar concepts (The Golden Rule : Do onto others as you would wish others will do upon you ) and teach you to be a good person in general. Morality can be argued in the evolutionary perspective, reason being an altruistic society is able to thrive longer compared to a society that thrives on selfishness. So by thriving longer, the organisms live longer, breed more, have more offspring...

"A scientific person you say? Wouldn't it be easier to see the world in a simple and beautiful way?" -
Well, if you are willing to be a happy drunk. I prefer to stay sober, and through the lens of science I see the world in an even more beautiful perspective. Look around you now, in front of you is an electronic device, created by man. A device that communicates with people across the world through the use of optics and waves. Look around you, do you see living things? A flower, so beautiful, as a result of artificial and natural selection. The cute cat by your window, once a large fearsome beast, domesticated via artificial selection. Look at the leaves, their mechanisms of photosynthesis, the Calvin cycle, their transpiration mechanisms, from years and years of natural selection, choosing the best to live on and propagate its genes. Look at the sky, it's shade of blue from the light waves of the Sun. Breathe in the air, filled with oxygen for your body. Look at oxygen itself, a molecule, so tiny, held together by covalent bonds. Even closer, and welcome to the quantum world. The other side of the spectrum? Welcome to our universe, a place of darkness, with majestic galaxies scattered here and there. Stars being born and stars dying every moment. A cosmic pinball machine. Look at our solar system compared to our galaxy. Insignificant it seems, yet it's every detail, planets, comets, asteroids, amaze us. FOR SCIENCE, you monster.

Just enjoy life and don't worry. If you feel that you are having a bad day, or if you are to make a judgement on someone, just tell yourself " Confirmation bias, confirmation bias, confirmation bias..."

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27-05-2012, 01:03 PM
RE: Young Atheists/Life long atheists please chime in.
Even if something would eventually convince me that god/s exist,i'd still remain an anti-theist.

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27-05-2012, 01:21 PM
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Noone will convince me back into religion.
Especially not without REALLY good reasons and proof.
I will not believe in every BS that people say, just because it makes them feel good for the moment.
Religion is not healthy and I will not participate in it anymore.
If someone at some point has PROOF not evidence but proof, that supernatural things do exist, I will be able to accept that fact, but I will not join a religion ever again. Not a real one anyway, I am a happy follower of kopimism and the pink invisible unicorn.

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27-05-2012, 01:45 PM (This post was last modified: 27-05-2012 07:11 PM by ghostexorcist.)
RE: Young Atheists/Life long atheists please chime in.
(26-05-2012 10:42 AM)roadrunner Wrote:  In light of the show a few weeks ago (atheist teenagers) can some one please reassure me that people have been atheist all their lives won't some day run into some apologist and get saved. After being in church all my life I see "testimonies" of people that either claim to have been atheist, agnostic, or went to church all their life but were never saved and now they saw the light. Personally after having been a xian I know firsthand that religion has nothing to offer. But someone who has never tried it may be inquisitive. I just want to know that young atheist see it for the ancient superstition that it is and won't someday be a Lee strobel type christian.

Many people turn to religion of their own accord because they are emotionally vulnerable and are looking for something to help them through a rough spot in their life. A personal example would be my sister. Although she does believe in god to some extent, she has never been a terribly religious person—i.e., she never read the bible or went to church. However, she and her husband have been going through a very stressful time in their respective jobs. Then, out of nowhere, they decided to start attending a local church. My niece and nephew went along with it for a while, but when the latter (who is a borderline atheist) voiced his displeasure with having to go, they started yelling at him. I asked my sister why she starting going, and she told me it was because “it was so peaceful.” But once that stressful point in their lives passed, they quite church cold turkey. A more extreme example is a hardline drug addict that becomes a born again Christian. The “Kingdom of Heaven” would sound pretty inviting to even the most hardcore atheist if they had damaged their brain from years of drug abuse, were living on the street, and were close to starving and or freezing to death. Why do you think the Church was so good at getting deathbed conversions? The sick and dying were quick to convert because they knew a literal paradise awaited them beyond the world of pain and disease.

In the case of Lee Strobel, some prominent atheists believe that he declined mentally in his older age. Lee himself denies this. However, a recent study shows that “born again” Christians who convert later in life tend to show evidence of atrophy in the brain. It’s very possible that this is the reason for his conversion. I doubt that it was the comforting words of some Christian that caused him to lean in the other direction, though. The only person that can cause a lifelong atheist to convert is themselves. Only they can come to the truth of their perceived reality on their own. Any one on this forum, despite what they may say now, could eventually follow in Strobel’s footsteps. Anyone is susceptible to brain atrophy.
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27-05-2012, 02:23 PM
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27-05-2012, 05:26 PM
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My person opinion is that atheists who convert to a religion aren't well versed in any particular faith. Some atheists are atheists because they haven't been brought up in a religious environment, and thus are naive on how religions are. the more ignorant of the religion, the more it has a chance of pulling you in. I know of one ex atheist, ( My Uncle.) who got pulled into Catholicism because he knew nothing of what it really taught and thought that the belief is valid because everybody else seemed to believe in that deity. This is partly why I strongly support people studying religion objectively, and actually trying to understand. When I deconverted, by father preached to me, and read bible verses, and the more he tried to explain that his belief was valid, the more transparent it became that it was false.

in other words, when people ask me why I am an atheist, I will always reply

"Because I actually tried to get to know my faith, and it appeared fake."

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27-05-2012, 06:41 PM
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(27-05-2012 01:39 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Always been an atheist and I swear to God I always be.
I couldn't have said it better Smile

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27-05-2012, 08:56 PM
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Grew up heavily indoctrinated into fundamentalist Christianity and while I still have to fight off some of the superstitious tendencies my brain was trained for at a young I couldn't imagine returning to theism.

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