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03-02-2014, 01:50 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2014 01:57 AM by Drich.)
Your judgement day defense strageity?
Simple premise. If this whole atheism thing turns out to be wrong, and you die only to wake up standing before the God of the bible, what will you say?

You gave me no proof.

You should have done miricals in my time..

Will you try and turn things on God and put Him on the defensive?

Why do kids get cancer
Why do babies in Africa get aids or starve to death etc..

Or will you say you were a good and moral man?

Or will you be judged and go with what Christ decides?

Or do you have something better?
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03-02-2014, 02:09 AM
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
What's a strageity?

Dodgy

I'd ask where is the 'down' escalator.

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03-02-2014, 02:13 AM
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
I don't have one. I'm looking to take Christ up on his offer of atonement. Therefore no judgement.
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03-02-2014, 02:19 AM
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
I'd ask him what type of booze is served in hell.

Or maybe I'd just tell him to go choke on a dick. It's not like anything I say would make a difference in my outcome since he's such a petty, spiteful tyrant.

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03-02-2014, 02:19 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2014 02:23 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
(03-02-2014 01:50 AM)Drich Wrote:  Simple premise. If this whole atheism thing turns out to be wrong, and you die only to wake up standing before the God of the bible, what will you say?

You gave me no proof.

You should have done miricals in my time..

Will you try and turn things on God and put Him on the defensive?

Why do kids get cancer
Why do babies in Africa get aids or starve to death etc..

Or will you say you were a good and moral man?

Or will you be judged and go with what Christ decides?

Or do you have something better?


(This is not my creative work, but it seemed a better response than anything I'd care to write. Full credit in the link at the bottom.)


“But what if you’re wrong?” So goes the common questions posed to atheists by Christians. Putting aside for a moment the obvious retort (what if they are wrong and another religion is right?) I decided to really organize my thoughts a bit. What would I say if I was wrong, the Christians were right, and a moment after dying I found myself before the blinding majesty of Yahweh with Christ at his right hand?

Oh. Oh dear. I see. Well, I guess this is about as close to incontrovertible evidence for your existence as I could have ever demanded. Actually, as a good skeptic I pray you won’t get offended if I entertain the possibility that I’m experiencing a hypoxia-induced hallucination. But, I’ll just go along with this for now.

I’m not going to kneel or anything if you don’t mind. That would kind of be shutting the barn door after the cows have run out, don’t you think? Besides: by your will, I was thrust into life in a very undignified manner and state, so the least you could do would be to let me leave it in better circumstances. And really, that would be the very, very least you could do. You know, now that the initial shock of being dead is starting to wear off, I find myself getting angry. I’m trying to restrain it, but this whole situation is… absurd. According to most accounts, this is the part where you judge me. Who the hell are you to be a moral judge? You’re a sadistic, genocidal sex-obsessed tyrant. All my life, I laughed off those Christians who accused me of “hating God”. Like I told them, it wasn’t that I hated you; I just genuinely didn’t think you existed. But I did hate the idea of you. I didn’t see evidence to believe in any gods, but you in particular seemed like a logical contradiction. I was glad that the Bible was a work of-seeming-fiction because the belief that all of the most terrible things in the world were, at the worst, designed by or, at the best, permitted by an all-powerful conscious being was too horrible to not hate. It’s oddly refreshing to find that all this time I was outraged at something more tangible.

Or is this the part where your grand plan is revealed, your “mysterious ways” made clear? Will you say the magic words and suddenly I’ll understand how a child being raped, murdered, and left in a ditch fits in with you infinite benevolence? Will starvation and disease make sense? Because you know, I don’t think I want them to make sense. If that’s part of your omniscient knowledge, then I don’t want that part. I guess its fitting: humanity’s first act of defiance was to want knowledge to be more like you. Then let my last act of defiance be choosing ignorance so that I can be as unlike you as possible.

This is all perfectly futile. You know me better than anyone. You know my mind. You know how I thought. You know – and had the power over- all the circumstances in my life that meant you very existence seemed impossible to me. After all, you “knit me together in my mother’s womb,” didn’t you? So am I just a casualty of free will, then? You wanted worship from people who could choose to worship you and, to satisfy your ego, decided it was a fair price to create people whom you knew wouldn’t choose you and would face eternal torture for it. You know, even if almost everything had been perfect, a world free from pain and death where everyone would freely choose to spend an eternity with you – except for one person, and yet you made him anyways… then you would still be infinitely more evil than all the worst of humanity combined. You’re going to judge me? On behalf of all that’s good and decent in your creation, I judge you. I may have been a willful child, but you were a terrible father.

I can’t say I’m really inclined to beg for my soul now, given what I said about you knowing me perfectly. Even so, supposing mercy’s still an option (and that last rant didn’t kill my chances), I guess it’s worth a shot. I can’t pretend I have any love for you, but no principle is worth being damned over if it can be helped. What shall I say in my defense?

I tried to be good without you. You told your followers to feed the hungry, clothe the poor, and visit the sick. I did those things, not because you told me to or because I thought I was “storing up treasure in heaven”. I did them for their own sake, for the sake of my neighbors. When I saw suffering, I tried to help instead of saying a quick prayer to you and believing I’d done something. And when I didn’t help and suffering continued, I held myself responsible instead of concluding it was just your divine will.

And I was content with one life- in fact, despite how terrible life could be, I was usually quite grateful to have one. I didn’t demand more. I was content to create my own meaning in the meaningless chaos, to find love in all the pain, to find the beautiful simplicity in the apparent complexity. And I have to say, you may have failed basic ethics but you sure had a deft hand when it came to creating the cosmos – not least because you did it in such a way as to make yourself seem irrelevant. The splendor of the night sky, the incredible diversity of life, everything. Quantum mechanics? That was crazy, I loved it! And relativity? You were on a roll that day, really. I saw nearly all of your creation for what it was: wonderful. I didn’t look at an exquisitely intricate world and call it fallen. I didn’t look at a newborn baby and call it sinful. I didn’t look at my seemingly finite life and call it inadequate.

So you created us because you desired companionship and love? Well then, you needed me. But I didn’t need you. I grew up and took responsibility for my own life. If that really is the greatest crime of all, then there’s nothing more I can say. The deck was stacked against me, but honestly, I can’t truly say I have any regrets. Heaven, hell, oblivion… your move, God.

Though I still think I’m probably hallucinating.


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03-02-2014, 02:46 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2014 02:50 AM by Moodie.)
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
Lord thou hast endowed me with understanding so maybe I read a bad translation of the bible but it seemed a loada rubbish to me - although I'm all for do as you would be done by ..... and I know I might've slipped up a tad .....

Hang on - do you speak English?
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03-02-2014, 03:01 AM
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
Fear not! Richard dawkins has you covered!


Dreams/Hallucinations/delusions are not evidence
Wishful thinking is not evidence
Disproved statements&Illogical conclusions are not evidence
Logical fallacies&Unsubstantiated claims are not evidence
Vague prophecies is not evidence
Data that requires a certain belief is not evidence
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03-02-2014, 03:16 AM
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
"So you're the creator... The one responsible for my existence. Are you omniscient? You knew exactly how I think, and that it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to believe without evidence, yet your book says you would have me punished? Your omniscience means you knew this was coming from before you created the universe. You set things in motion in such a way that I would always stand before you today. And knowing my mind, and EVERYTHING, you knew exactly what it would take to convince me. If you are also omnipotent then you also have the ability to prove your existence. If you do not pardon my lack of faith, you are not a being that would ever be worthy of it."
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03-02-2014, 03:36 AM
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
(03-02-2014 01:50 AM)Drich Wrote:  Simple premise. If this whole atheism thing turns out to be wrong, and you die only to wake up standing before the God of the bible, what will you say?

You gave me no proof.

You should have done miricals in my time..

Will you try and turn things on God and put Him on the defensive?

Why do kids get cancer
Why do babies in Africa get aids or starve to death etc..

Or will you say you were a good and moral man?

Or will you be judged and go with what Christ decides?

Or do you have something better?

Why would a god have human characteristics? Why would he listen to me? It would be like us, hearing a cow mooing.

Truth seeker.
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03-02-2014, 03:43 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2014 03:54 AM by earmuffs.)
RE: Your judgement day defense strageity?
And when did you stop beating your wife?

edit: OH and what are YOU gonna do when it turns out the Muslims had it right?
How do you propose getting your 72 virgins? As a Muslim heathen.

Or when you're greeted by some thousand headed half tiger half elephant half blowfly Hindu god?
How do you explain yourself you Christian heretic you!


You make two false assumptions. 1. That Christianity is right. It's not. and 2. That if religion is right (which it's not), that YOUR religion is right among the many many different religions out there.

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