Your (our) final moments as an atheist
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14-09-2016, 03:19 PM
RE: Your (our) final moments as an atheist
The idea of being dead and gone doesn't disturb me particularly, no.

I'd definitely be more worried if I was a theist (like you), uncertain if I'd picked the right god or denomination, always afraid of being sentenced to eternal torment for that honest mistake.
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14-09-2016, 03:27 PM
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(14-09-2016 03:17 PM)Loom Wrote:  Did you mind the whole 14 some odd billion years it took to be born? No?

Then you won't mind being dead.

If you've ever passed out before, it's probably akin to being dead. Nothingness.

It is a scary thought to overcome, of course. I suffer from a panic disorder now thanks to my deconversion.

But you realize how precious and amazing every day in life is and, really, riding a roller coaster forever would deaden the fun and you'd probably get sick of it after a while...it might be over when you reach the station but at least it was a heck of a ride!

I suppose I'll tell a dark secret. I tried to kill myself ; especially because in the moment of decision I just gambled that atheism was right. I made the wrong decision and I panicked when I was helpless to reverse the decision. Because I realized something was "there". It wasn't that easy escape and long story short I survived. Maybe an hallucination who knows.
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14-09-2016, 03:28 PM
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(14-09-2016 02:45 PM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  So the big question. When we exit our lives I am wondering what my fellow brothers and sisters think about how they will think and feel if they are aware of the moments leading up to our eventual demise.

Will you be scared? Like oh shit I am just going to flipping disappear and in moments it's lights out for ever and that's it the end ....

I find it difficult getting around that part. Just thinking about that moment before our consciousness disappears. Llike just gone forever. It's kind of amazing in a way just to think on it but kind of scary.

What do you guys think?

It all depends on the individual. I would be scared of a slow long decline and the pain that would go with it. I would also be afraid of missing my loved ones. But under duress nobody really can say until they are in the moment. It is easy to say outside the moment as to how you would like to act, but that is armchair quarterbacking.

Dawkins had said in the past he wanted his last moments recorded so that nobody could claim he had a deathbed conversion. But that is a bad idea because doped up and or in mental decline you wont be you.

Hitchens had said if he he ever became that bad off mentally because of health he would not want anyone taking his word for it because he would no longer be in his lucid state. I feel the same way.

What the ghost writer of Flew's book did was insidious. He took advantage of a person in mental decline and basically lied about it.

But no, in my lucid state I will never be afraid of a fictional sky wizard or a ground villain. It would be like being afraid of Yoda and Darth Vader.

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14-09-2016, 03:32 PM
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Quote:I suppose I'll tell a dark secret. I tried to kill myself ; especially because in the moment of decision I just gambled that atheism was right. I made the wrong decision and I panicked when I was helpless to reverse the decision. Because I realized something was "there". It wasn't that easy escape and long story short I survived. Maybe an hallucination who knows.
That's too bad. I'm sorry you went through that, Scientific Guy.
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14-09-2016, 03:34 PM
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(14-09-2016 03:27 PM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  I suppose I'll tell a dark secret. I tried to kill myself

This sort of trolling is really not funny.

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14-09-2016, 03:37 PM
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(14-09-2016 03:32 PM)kim Wrote:  
Quote:I suppose I'll tell a dark secret. I tried to kill myself ; especially because in the moment of decision I just gambled that atheism was right. I made the wrong decision and I panicked when I was helpless to reverse the decision. Because I realized something was "there". It wasn't that easy escape and long story short I survived. Maybe an hallucination who knows.
That's too bad. I'm sorry you went through that, Scientific Guy.
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I don't think I'll go into detail on that. It's just a small comment related to the title. It's like 17 years ago as well. I knew though it wasn't just simply dying and disappearing; I kind of thought that just too damn convenient. But again, for this discussion it proves nothing and an hallucination I guess.
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14-09-2016, 03:38 PM
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I do envy atheists not knowing. It's a sweet thing not to know in lots of ways. That's why I became one so I can enjoy the benefits.
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14-09-2016, 03:41 PM
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(14-09-2016 03:27 PM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  
(14-09-2016 03:17 PM)Loom Wrote:  Did you mind the whole 14 some odd billion years it took to be born? No?

Then you won't mind being dead.

If you've ever passed out before, it's probably akin to being dead. Nothingness.

It is a scary thought to overcome, of course. I suffer from a panic disorder now thanks to my deconversion.

But you realize how precious and amazing every day in life is and, really, riding a roller coaster forever would deaden the fun and you'd probably get sick of it after a while...it might be over when you reach the station but at least it was a heck of a ride!

I suppose I'll tell a dark secret. I tried to kill myself ; especially because in the moment of decision I just gambled that atheism was right. I made the wrong decision and I panicked when I was helpless to reverse the decision. Because I realized something was "there". It wasn't that easy escape and long story short I survived. Maybe an hallucination who knows.

The human brain is known to 'panic' and cause all sorts of hallucinations and sensations when in distress.

I had a 'heart attack' once that resulted in me passing out...my heart is fine, my brain convinced me otherwise.

Such intense feelings are pretty common in NDEs. In essence, the brain is grasping at straws to help prevent its death.

I 'm sorry you went through that.

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14-09-2016, 03:44 PM
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(14-09-2016 03:38 PM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  I do envy atheists not knowing. It's a sweet thing not to know in lots of ways. That's why I became one so I can enjoy the benefits.

What makes you think being atheist is any different than being theist, when it comes to death? We're all human beings - we all die.

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14-09-2016, 03:47 PM
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(14-09-2016 03:28 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  Hitchens had said if he he ever became that bad off mentally because of health he would not want anyone taking his word for it because he would no longer be in his lucid state. I feel the same way.

Have you read Hitchen's "Mortality"? He wrote quite a bit about himself as his cancer progressed and he knew his death would be soon. His appreciation of irony turned what could have been very depressing into an interesting and thought-provoking read.

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