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21-02-2011, 05:18 PM (This post was last modified: 21-02-2011 05:25 PM by Laxion.)
ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
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THIS SHOULD REPLACE MONETARY SYSTEM!!!!!!!

The Material-Based Economy can solve this problem! Before you thumb me down or be skeptical of me, please watch zeitgeist and know what are you talking about.

I can't explain everything on here, so please check out the links. This system is based on Science, no more Politics or Religion, because man will always make mistakes, but Science is unbiased so it will really be a good system. This is not perfect but it's way better than our current system.

~Material Based Economy~
-Money will be no more.
-Keep track of all our resources, produce no waste, and recycling everything.
-High Living standards,
-Renewable energy sources Wind, Tidal. Wave, Solar, Geothermal, and no more pollution,
-75% of jobs will be gone, because of highly sophisticated mechanics can do our work, but in the monetary system it makes people unable to work.
-95% of crime will be gone as well
-Up to Date technology
-Making products very efficient and long lasting rather than short and not efficient lived like the monetary system.
-Everyone will have their basic needs.
-Cybernated Government can handle all of our needs, like Water, Electricity, Products. It's really a big computer handling it.
-No more useless Wars.
-People will become united with the world, we share this world together.
-Innovations will increase, just like the wright brothers making the 1st airplane, they didn't have money.

In the monetary system, problems make money, they want you to buy in-efficient light bulb because then you will use more electricity giving more money to the electric company and more taxes. Also Another example is dumping toxic waste into the rivers to save money. Likewise making in-efficient cars too so you will use more oil, and pay more for fuel.This is why this system fails so much.

please watch
Zeitgeist the movie The Federal Reserve 1 hour
Zeitgeist [Religion]The Greatest Story Ever Sold 30 minutes
Zeitgeist 2 Addendum 2 hours
Zeitgeist 3 Movement 2hours 40 minutes
and check out thevenusproject.com
also check out ZeitNews.org

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21-02-2011, 05:58 PM
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Zeitgeist 1 and 2 were horrible, a bunch of bs. Haven't seen the third one but I'll see. I got turned off by the bunch of conspiracy theory bullshit

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21-02-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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This whole venus project would be fine and dandy if everyone was an ethical, intellectual,-and most importantly-equally contributing participant. Let's say that the obscenely difficult initial steps were complete, and everything was all set up-computers and technology were running the world and taking care of us. What incentive would we have to get up and do our "job". Or go to school and learn things. Everything would eventually fall apart. Money is not just about buying natural resources, it is about having power over people. Why would crime be eliminated in this future society?

They are thinking so far outside the box that they have forgotten (or ignored) what is inside the box.
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22-02-2011, 06:48 AM (This post was last modified: 22-02-2011 06:53 AM by Kikko.)
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In case you're actually serious about Zeitgeist, here's a linkey: http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/
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The venus project's utopy sounds great, but not very realistic. It's also not very good for their project to seek attention in conspiracy films.

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22-02-2011, 08:47 AM
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Every time I hear about the Zeitgeist movement I think of that guy that came on here a few months ago that always gave the date as "In your retarded Papal Calender" and didn't know the meaning of atheism. Tongue I watched a bit of the Zeitgeist movie on Religion and wound up having to turn it off after a while. I think religion is bullshit, but their way of calling it bullshit was flawed, which made me sad. Tongue

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22-02-2011, 11:15 AM
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I have to agree with the consensus so far here - Zeitgeist is pretty much full of it. There is no evidence to suggest that Christianity is some giant conglomerate conspiracy to subdue the masses (or whatever), there is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, and so on.

As far as the Zeitgeist movement goes, to think that we could get rid of a monetary system is silly. We might change money systems, but money is still representative of goods, services, or both. Simply getting rid of money won't magically do anything except maybe make it to where I'd have to carry around some other thing to represent my value and time.

Turning over everything to technology (seriously? they want to just have our government run by A.I.? You ever seen The Terminator or The Matrix? Wink) isn't going to magically fix our energy and resource problems either. There doesn't seem to be any substance to any of it, other than the claim that if things were just run differently that everything would just be fixed.

Our brains deceive us on a regular basis, so we have to find ways to fight back.
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22-02-2011, 05:14 PM (This post was last modified: 22-02-2011 05:19 PM by Laxion.)
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How is Zeitgeist bullshit ? care to explain why people ?

Terminator ? What are you guys talking about, we use AI for many things like controlling things. You know like automatic safe thing. They can just help regulate things such as water supply and electricity. AI cannot think for themselves, they only follow a set of instruction.

Religion part is flawed how ? explain please, dec.25 is the birth of Christ. They have been celebrating his birthday in the 4th century for thousands of years, and officially made the date of Christ by the usa politics.

R.B.E is a better system people, money makes problems.
everyone needs will be met, it's not like you can have everything. Products will be efficient, long lasting, and recycle,

money makes problems. in the monetary system where they break so you have to buy a new one. Wasting more materials. Also just like those in efficient light bulbs, to make you spend more money on electricity.

laws are such a lousy way of dealing problems.

Money is making toxic waste into the oceans, pollution which can harm our health. 40% of the world's wealth belong to 1% of the people.
(22-02-2011 06:48 AM)Kikko Wrote:  In case you're actually serious about Zeitgeist, here's a linkey: http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/
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The venus project's utopy sounds great, but not very realistic. It's also not very good for their project to seek attention in conspiracy films.

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/
that website is so much opinions, it is not credible, it's really one guy opinion.

venus project is an model, a futuristic view of our world. Giving us an example, like a guide.
(22-02-2011 11:15 AM)TheSixthGlass Wrote:  I have to agree with the consensus so far here - Zeitgeist is pretty much full of it. There is no evidence to suggest that Christianity is some giant conglomerate conspiracy to subdue the masses (or whatever), there is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, and so on.

As far as the Zeitgeist movement goes, to think that we could get rid of a monetary system is silly. We might change money systems, but money is still representative of goods, services, or both. Simply getting rid of money won't magically do anything except maybe make it to where I'd have to carry around some other thing to represent my value and time.

Turning over everything to technology (seriously? they want to just have our government run by A.I.? You ever seen The Terminator or The Matrix? Wink) isn't going to magically fix our energy and resource problems either. There doesn't seem to be any substance to any of it, other than the claim that if things were just run differently that everything would just be fixed.

Money is good and services, we can still have good and services without money...
(21-02-2011 05:58 PM)sosa Wrote:  Zeitgeist 1 and 2 were horrible, a bunch of bs. Haven't seen the third one but I'll see. I got turned off by the bunch of conspiracy theory bullshit

provide evidence.

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22-02-2011, 05:20 PM (This post was last modified: 22-02-2011 05:24 PM by Kikko.)
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Quote:that website is so much opinions, it is not credible, it's really one guy opinion.
And Zeitgeist is what...?Big Grin

Have you bothered reading the website? Does the creator of Zeitgeist cite his/her sources? Has anyone refuted the conspiracyscience website?

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22-02-2011, 05:38 PM
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(22-02-2011 05:20 PM)Kikko Wrote:  
Quote:that website is so much opinions, it is not credible, it's really one guy opinion.
And Zeitgeist is what...?Big Grin

Have you bothered reading the website? Does the creator of Zeitgeist cite his/her sources? Has anyone refuted the conspiracyscience website?

Yeah I was reading the website, he wrote on the top, he called me a mental idiot. Something like that, that was biased. And check out the hate mail, he swear to one of them, swearing isn't very intelligent.

emotions are not answers.

religion debunked ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_9ZyddjaM4

The film is independent and free. Order to help support them I guess.

Here is the ultimate source of everything they researched.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/Zeitgeist,...%20PDF.pdf
(22-02-2011 05:20 PM)Kikko Wrote:  
Quote:that website is so much opinions, it is not credible, it's really one guy opinion.
And Zeitgeist is what...?Big Grin

Have you bothered reading the website? Does the creator of Zeitgeist cite his/her sources? Has anyone refuted the conspiracyscience website?

here is the FAQ
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/qa.html

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22-02-2011, 11:45 PM
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Scholars have pointed out that part 1 has many factual errors. For example the god's son-sun comparison doesn't work in the Latin. The 9/11 conspiracy talk is rubbish. And federal tax isn't illegal. So yes, it's a load of bollocks.

Zeitgeist Addendum was an OK non-Marxist critique of the capitalist price system, but I thought it was spoiled by the authors' attempt to appeal to the conspiratorial mindset. The problem is ultimately systemic - that was something Marx got right. I saw the second one a while back. They seem to promote Skinner's behaviorist bullshit, which Chomsky debunked ages ago. In my eyes they lack serious credibility because of that.

However, what do we really have here in the Zeitgeist Movement? I've talked about this time and time again and I am really amused by people I know who were so into the first movie (abolishing the income tax, supporting Ron Paul, 9/11 truth) and took a complete u-turn when the second movie came out. What the movies do show is that Joseph started off as relatively new and immature in regards to politics. As he matured politically, he realized the contradictions of the system and thus, we have his current ideology. This is nothing short of a conspiracy culture. Whenever new documentaries come out, there are thousands of online folks who embrace them at face value and become mindless acolytes of whatever cause the documentary puts forth. If Joseph took another U-turn tomorrow ideologically, I'm sure a lot of the Zeitgeist Movement would follow. The people who buy these kinds of documentaries are malleable.

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