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23-02-2011, 05:04 AM
RE: ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
Quote:Here is the ultimate source of everything they researched.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/Zeitgeist,...%20PDF.pdf

I might be an idiot, but I can't get much out of this kind of a source list:

120 Vermaseren, CARC, 408.
121 Vermaseren, CARC, 108.
122 Vermaseren, CARC, 108.
123 Vermaseren, CARC, 43.
124 Halsberghe, 159.
125 Harari, 131.

One name + a number doesn't say much. I tried googling 'Vemaseren CARC' but didn't find anything with a 'CARC'. With 'Vermaseren' I did find books by J. M. Vermaseren (http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL804370A...rmaseren), but how to know which one of them is the right one?
'Halsberghe' got me this book: Cults of the Roman Empire ( http://books.google.com/books?id=Q6sSsAR...59&f=false ) , but pages 92-232 are not avaiable. I found a PDF ''Sol in the Roman Empire'', but it doesn't have a page 159, it doesn't mention winter solstice, Natalis Invicti or december 25th. I haven't read it yet, so there could be something in different terms.
'Harari' seems to be a language, and 'Harari 131' doesn't get me alot of anything either.

But since that woman told that the information can't be found easily, or can't be found at all, I'll leave the religion part alone for now and start checking the more conspirasick parts.

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23-02-2011, 10:33 AM
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Conspiracy theorists and theists have two things in common :
1.Faith
2.Lack of evidence to support their claims

I believed BS like Zeitgeist for 2 years and was utterly paranoid because of it.It didn't change me for the better , it made me almost insane. When I started looking at evidence and fact, the world of fear-mongering died in an instant and I've never felt more free.

Atheism is a religion like OFF is a TV channel !!!

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23-02-2011, 10:57 AM
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There just isn't any substantial evidence that any of the conspiracy stuff is true, or that any of the social / government / economic policies would actually work.

Quote:Money is good and services, we can still have good and services without money...

Yes but getting rid of money doesn't actually do anything. Money is simply representative of the goods and services I own. It's basically a placeholder of value. If I get rid of my money, then I still have to figure out how to carry around the goods that I have for trade. I can't fit things like chickens / grains / cookies in my pockets (at least not many).

Sorry, The Terminator and Matrix comments were just a joke. I'm aware that computer programs regulate lots of things, but you would still need people regulating the programs. You'd still have government officials, and you'd still have the opportunity for misuse and corruption.

Our brains deceive us on a regular basis, so we have to find ways to fight back.
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23-02-2011, 02:49 PM
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Sorry ignore my last message, I found a bibliography from the text while selecting a random page.

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23-02-2011, 05:10 PM (This post was last modified: 23-02-2011 05:20 PM by Laxion.)
RE: ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
I didn't know this forum hates zeitgeist ? The R.B.E system won't happen if people don't want it. It's best to spread the word of it, let everyone be aware.

Conspiracy ? I don't think so, 2 airplane crashes with newly elected people, in various country ? They wanted to corrupted the government and make a centralized bank there. There is evidence, you guys should ask for their source, and stuff.

So You guys still want to have the centralized banks ? Canada is in 500 billion in-debt and growing. USA is in 14 trillion in debt and growing.

what's so wrong about going against war and keeping track of resources, using renewable energy sources, staying up to date, making efficient things that last long and recyclable. And ending poverty.

I'm 14 and supporting this good act, by help spreading the word, letting the general public know about this. I guess you guys want to trust that creationist site saying zeitgeist is fake.

there is about 317,000 followers on facebook support the zeitgeist movement. The Zeitgeist are on a world tour spreading their ideas and systems.

I love this system, because it's science based, and it's my dream to become a scientists. Well I guess you know what they say, younger people seem to adapt to other culture better than older people.
(23-02-2011 05:04 AM)Kikko Wrote:  
Quote:Here is the ultimate source of everything they researched.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/Zeitgeist,...%20PDF.pdf

I might be an idiot, but I can't get much out of this kind of a source list:

120 Vermaseren, CARC, 408.
121 Vermaseren, CARC, 108.
122 Vermaseren, CARC, 108.
123 Vermaseren, CARC, 43.
124 Halsberghe, 159.
125 Harari, 131.

One name + a number doesn't say much. I tried googling 'Vemaseren CARC' but didn't find anything with a 'CARC'. With 'Vermaseren' I did find books by J. M. Vermaseren (http://openlibrary.org/authors/OL804370A...rmaseren), but how to know which one of them is the right one?
'Halsberghe' got me this book: Cults of the Roman Empire ( http://books.google.com/books?id=Q6sSsAR...59&f=false ) , but pages 92-232 are not avaiable. I found a PDF ''Sol in the Roman Empire'', but it doesn't have a page 159, it doesn't mention winter solstice, Natalis Invicti or december 25th. I haven't read it yet, so there could be something in different terms.
'Harari' seems to be a language, and 'Harari 131' doesn't get me alot of anything either.

But since that woman told that the information can't be found easily, or can't be found at all, I'll leave the religion part alone for now and start checking the more conspirasick parts.


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They have a lot of evidence, for the conspiracy things. 42% of Americans believed that the government is hiding critical information for 9/11. But the Media don't tell them anything. The internet is what keeps information open!

You know what, never mind, you guys can keep on thinking zeitgeist is a faker. I'm done arguing against older people.

good luck on the world tour zeigeist!

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23-02-2011, 05:27 PM
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Many Zeitgeist followers I've come in contact with are as fanatic as fundamentalist nuts.

I'm a younger person too, that's just a red herring you're trying to pull. Just because a movement has x amount of followers does not mean it has any more credibility because of it; another logical fallacy.

I'm not looking at creationist sites. Many secular, scientific scholars reject the "facts" in the first film. I'm not going to criticize the RBE system yet because I haven't devoted much time into that particular system. I'm addressing the conspiracy theories espoused in the film that have been debunked countless times already. I think the creator of the film is actually distancing himself from all the conspiracy bullshit.

There are better books that deal with religion, way better than the film. It makes so many mistakes and errors its not even funny.

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23-02-2011, 07:10 PM
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Once again opinions, What are you talking about sosa ? There are 2000 zeitgeist members in canada, we are spreading public awarness about out monetary system. Changing it because it's destroying the earth and wasting so much resource.

Zeitgeist is mainly about the R.B.E, making the world a better place. Not having corrupt government. the C.I.A freaking kills other countries government, overthrow them, or get them corrupt, so their country has an centralized banks.

97% of money is digital. only 3% is physical. Scientific scholars ? There are lot's of source they have, they also have professors too.

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(23-02-2011 07:10 PM)Laxion Wrote:  Once again opinions, What are you talking about sosa ? There are 2000 zeitgeist members in canada, we are spreading public awarness about out monetary system. Changing it because it's destroying the earth and wasting so much resource.

Zeitgeist is mainly about the R.B.E, making the world a better place. Not having corrupt government. the C.I.A freaking kills other countries government, overthrow them, or get them corrupt, so their country has an centralized banks.

97% of money is digital. only 3% is physical. Scientific scholars ? There are lot's of source they have, they also have professors too.

Again, you can have a million followers and that still doesn't mean you're credible.

Another fallacy is the Argument from Authority. You can have all the professors you want, but without factual evidence it means nothing. Have you actually reviewed the evidence against Zeitgeist's claims? or do you just accept them at face value?

you say you're 14 huh? trust me, you still have a lot to learn.

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Yeah, I forgot to include my 2 tests today, I have 91% of my Science Mid Test on Electrical Engineering. And 94% on my Math on Polynomial.

Grade 9 Canadian School.

and why does zeitgeist has more like than dislike ? You know usually creationist videos have more dislike than likes.

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(23-02-2011 07:52 PM)Laxion Wrote:  Yeah, I forgot to include my 2 tests today, I have 91% of my Science Mid Test on Electrical Engineering. And 94% on my Math on Polynomial.

Grade 9 Canadian School.

and why does zeitgeist has more like than dislike ? You know usually creationist videos have more dislike than likes.

For a person that claims is a genius it seems like you fail at basic logic. What does your grade on high school tests have to do with the actual argument Zeitgeist claims?

I bet I can find you many religious videos on Youtube that have more likes that dislikes, does that mean their right? And what does that have to do with the actual argument?

You're just full of logical fallacies today aren't you!

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