ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
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23-02-2011, 08:55 PM
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I don't claim, I think I'm a genius, feel free to not think I'm a genius. Showing you my school grades is a bit of showing you my intelligence. Just like people have doctorates in universities.

It's really about the R.B.E system, changing our society so we will have less crime, higher tech, and more freedom. No more wars, no more poverty. Higher efficiency.

Sigh, I'm not going to argue with you anymore because I'm not a expert at about zeitgeist, maybe ask the 94 years old man who dedicated his entire life making a system better for humanity. To make a sustainable future for us all.

I don't understand what's so bad about the venus project. Oh well, I guess you have problems with zeitgeists, not me. Not stop hating on me.

"Why can't we all be friends ?" a friend.

okay Big Grin
Well, going to spread the word of the R.B.E. system. Giving public awareness of the damages monetary been doing.

That's was my goal here in the first place, so yeah...

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23-02-2011, 09:13 PM
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(23-02-2011 08:55 PM)Laxion Wrote:  I don't claim, I think I'm a genius, feel free to not think I'm a genius. Showing you my school grades is a bit of showing you my intelligence. Just like people have doctorates in universities.

It's really about the R.B.E system, changing our society so we will have less crime, higher tech, and more freedom. No more wars, no more poverty. Higher efficiency.

Sigh, I'm not going to argue with you anymore because I'm not a expert at about zeitgeist, maybe ask the 94 years old man who dedicated his entire life making a system better for humanity. To make a sustainable future for us all.

I don't understand what's so bad about the venus project. Oh well, I guess you have problems with zeitgeists, not me. Not stop hating on me.

"Why can't we all be friends ?" a friend.

okay Big Grin
Well, going to spread the word of the R.B.E. system. Giving public awareness of the damages monetary been doing.

That's was my goal here in the first place, so yeah...

RED HERRING!!!

I never argued against the Venus Project or RBE. I was arguing against the religious and conspiracy claims made in the first movie. Stop trying to change the subject.

1. Degrees and test scores have little to do with intelligence
2. You're acting like a religious zealot.
3. No one is "hating" on you. I'm was arguing against claims made in the movie. If you cannot make any reasonable arguments for them than just say so. All you do is drop these fallacies left and right. You act as if the number of people in a given movement has any bearing on how factual their propositions are

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23-02-2011, 09:25 PM
 
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Okay, so we get rid of money. Let's say that I'm your neighbor and I own a plow truck. There is a really bad storm 3 feet of snow so I offer my services to plow your driveway. Are you saying that I don't need a plow truck because there are computerized machines that now do this? If so then why do I have a driveway that needs to be plowed in the first place, since I don't need to park my flying car on a piece of asphalt?

Canada is high in natural resources. GOOD FOR US. Theoretically it would be easy for us to run our country with renewable power, have all the food and water we could need. But I fail to see how this would work on a global scale. People in Iceland want oranges... are you saying that people (err... machines?) are going to send all the free oranges that they need? What's in it for them? What if Iceland has nothing to offer anybody? (Note: I'm not hating on Iceland, I don't know much about the country just making up examples.)

If you want to convince us of anything, give us some real world examples with detail. Saying "It's really about the R.B.E system, changing our society so we will have less crime, higher tech, and more freedom. No more wars, no more poverty. Higher efficiency" just makes you sound like a politician who is promising the world but nobody is really believing it.

If you really think you are a genius then prove it with your arguments (while getting A's in school is good, grade 9 math is hardly a qualifying factor). Assuming you are average age in your grade, if you truly are a genius I would expect you to quickly skim though highschool and
be one of the youngest people in whatever university you choose to go to. But enough about that, I don't want to start fights with people and I'm sure you really do mean well.
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23-02-2011, 11:18 PM
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Quote:Religion part is flawed how ? explain please, dec.25 is the birth of Christ. They have been celebrating his birthday in the 4th century for thousands of years, and officially made the date of Christ by the usa politics.

December 25th is the birth of Christ? Clearly his birth was described as being in spring via the biblical texts, the winter birth was just a scam to make conversion to Christianity easier on the Pagans.

Also, I noticed you said something about age, I am only a few years older than you (17) and I've got to say, this is definitely not something to do with age, it has to do with you are buying into their propoganda and helping to spread it.

Think about it, really think about it, like you did with the concept of God (if you broke ties with religion that is). How could you trust the AI to be programmed correctly? How would the system stop corruption? What would stop some rebel from destroying the system?

The fact is, you can't have a perfect society, we as human beings will simply not allow it, and cannot maintain it.

As for qualification: High School Grades really don't show much, I've got a 4.0, and I know a total idiot with a similar GPA, it truly means nothing. Also, in America due to "No Child Left Behind" you have to be lucky to get offered the chance to get ahead.
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23-02-2011, 11:56 PM
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I really really wanted to skip a few grades..... but instead I got to hear the same drivel year after year until I got F's due to perfect scores on tests and no homework. Who needs to waste their time going over the same crap slowly in more detail when they know it? I'm an academiccally gifted person and my grades in public school were terrible. And you know what? plenty of others were too. it's good that you're making the grades and everything but that doesn't exactly state your capabilities. There are people who fit the system and people who don't.

I understand wanting credentials, but what you should do is (Similar to Sosa) prepare information to have ready for everyone. Don't fall into the trap of convincing people through psychology. We're simply here to look at things at face value and analyze the truth of whatever comes up, because we're people who can't accept the lies. Bring forth evidence, examine counter evidence. Don't disregard someone's link because it backs a group you don't agree with. Even creationists can make good statements. Read what is being emphasized and then if you don't agree take the time to get a good answer of why.

I understand your fear of rejection, it's getting more and more common as the world becomes less communal. We aren't making any statements about you, we're just giving our opinions of what you're bringing to us. Realize this, we are reading what you say and taking the time to think about it. Your views are being given regard by everyone who posts here, whether they agree with them or not.

If you're here to gain an understanding of your own beliefs, or why other beliefs feel wrong then just try to accept that we won't always agree, but we will read what you say.

If you're here to gather followers, then realize that most of us have been hounded by people from all sorts of things wanting us to believe in what they believe in. We were skeptical about the first story they tried to sell us so we're skeptical of later ones too. We're willing to listen to you and if you bring forth good evidence we may even agree with you. We just don't accept things without a good reason to.

In closing if a rocket scientist joined this forum and said something that had flaws and was hard to believe we'd give him just as much trouble. In this forum your credentials are logic and fact.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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24-02-2011, 01:33 AM
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It's 12 am, I have school tomorrow, I was sleeping and thinking about this.

I'm not in high school, I'm in middle school, yeah you guys are arguing against the claims they are making. Without any source/links for me, really no evidence here. To be honest... TT

What I mean by creationist videos and zeitgeist videos, like how the people vote thumbs up and down, zeitgeist have wayy more thumbs up than down. The conspiracy part ? It makes logical sense to me. They have their researched, maybe I should dig it up for you guys, looks like I might spend some time looking at that source and validating it with other source.

The birth of Christ isn't confirmed, but many people believe it's the dec. 25th. He can either be made up, or lost in history.

Sometimes I wonder if you guys even watch all 4 movies, all the way through. If you didn't watched the whole thing, you might wouldn't understand.

I gotta admit, debating 1 vs several people feels intimidating... I prefer 1 on 1.

I'm not doing a good job, because I can't remember the facts, looks like I will have to research up the facts again.

Free thinker that is an interesting situation, Research the venus project, join the forum, and discuss about these issues. Jacque Fresco tells us the earth finite resources are to be shared. There are no politics involve, purely science. Having a global resource management. watch the movie, Zeitgeist 3 moving forward. It will give detailed explanations on how it works.

sosa School is pointless ? Taking tests are pointless ? knowing things is bad ?Learning Science, Math, L.A., Social useless ? I know I'm exaggerating

To be honest I don't know what's a zealot, only from starcraft 2.
your not hating on me okay thanks, I just felted intimidated from everyone trying to argue with me.

okay just google it. Some form of revolution, oh well close enough unless you wanna explain it to me.

Lilith, I have provided like 1-2 links, 1 pdf file of all the information in the zeitgeist movie. Sosa provided no links or pdf files. Just her words ? Uh... Isn't it suppose to be the other way around ? Or is her words better than mine because she is better and older and smarter than me ? Hm.... confuse at what are you trying to say.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/Zeitgeist,...%20PDF.pdf

CONCLUSIOn
that website that saids zeitgeist was a consipiracy, was written by 1 creationist guy.

I used to debate mindless creationists on youtube, but now I'm feeling delighted here, I love debating smarter people, looks like is to start with you guys. Yes Target me everyone, I want to grow in power and intimidate you guys with my intelligent, I don't know why, I guess it's my nature to become powerful because I remember ever since I was little, I remember my family beating me with a bamboo stick. Always letting kids try out new things 1st while I wait to be the last one. Believing I will deserve a better place in heaven.

well anyways the past is pretty dumb anyways. I remember my 1st thought of killing someone. I haded the thoughts of killing someone when I was 13. It was amazing, I love getting into insanity. But now I missed it now, because now I no longer over react to things. It's because I will go to jail, that's why I don't do it. and Intelligently not right.

well anyways I need to learn how to socialize with people. Well I really have to say hi to the girl I like. She does like me, but probably not anymore. She always said hi to me, but I never reply, It been about 2 years, and 5 months. I'm not really exactly desperate. I'm not really emotional. I'm really independent. I usually prefer facts to guide my life. I don't really understand why people want to laugh and stuff.

I'm moving towards Meaning over Feelings. I'm kidding, I prefer both.

So let's debate Atheists, I think I'm going to mass debate everyone about anything. Mean while spend my life learning things on the internet like I always do.

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24-02-2011, 05:22 AM
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I can't get to a computer for the next couple of days, but I think I'll be through with that PDF in a week. So don't expect anything from me too soon.

O', and always remember to use your Baloney Detection Kit.

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24-02-2011, 06:27 AM
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I have not yet made any opinions on the Zeitgeist movement Laxion (I was unaware of it previously, and do not want to state a false premise on this). So far what I have brought up in this forum is explanations of how to make yourself more credible. My mentioning of Sosa is not about this thread but the anarchist thread, in which Sosa supplied varying sources. Yes Sosa at times was agressive in debate with other members, but he brought forth a large amount of information that we can look through. When I see your links for Zeitgeist they all go to the same basic place. It is important in gaining credibility to show some of your information through other means. Show examples of things that are stated in the videos from people not connected with the Zeitgeist movement, Enough at least to suggest we look into the the bibliography and such.

A large majority of Atheists aren't going to be that interested in the movies, due to film being a common propaganda format. We'll want a lot of facts, and you as the person bringing this to us need to bring forth information that makes us want to research.

Here's an argument about the idea of money creating drive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc
This video discusses how many incentives tests have shown that jobs requiring only mechanical skills prove the incentive reward system, but for jobs that require cognitive skills the incentive reward system doesn't work. It's hard to prove to people that money is not a necessity, and that there is no need for a monetary system of any kind. People always look at the idea of trading person to person. Giving is a difficult idea to sell because people see the world of today and don't see that desire in anyone. The basic idea in this video is that when people do not think about money while working, they are much more productive than when striving to make money.

I'm not through watching the movies or looking through information while I handle other things in my life since this is brand new information to digest. So I'm not going to give you that many opinions of my own yet, but I would like to help you be able to support your arguments better.

I agree that the monetary system is a very tragic system, but I am not yet aware enough of the idea that the Zeitgeist movement is proposing to make that great of a distinction.

I also agree that technology is choked which is sometimes a good thing sometimes a bad thing. Occasionally technology being slowed keeps an advancement from being globally used before a fatal flaw is percieved. What a lot of people are going to see when you suggest a technology based lifestyle (although people have lived technology based lifestyles since the first rudimentary weapons). Is the issue of losing this technology. If I make a hammer then it exists and I can continue to use it until it breaks. If I make a computer it exists and I can continue to use it, until it breaks, has no power source, is corrupted by a virus, or becomes so outdated that it becomes a hinderance in competition. The basic truth is, as computers become more and more prevelant in society people become more and more dependent. A large fear of technology of today is not that it's going to kill us, but that we will become incapable of living without it. I do not yet know if this is adressed, but for many people it is a serious issue with betting everything on computers.

Please take a moment to calm down before posting Laxion, there is a lot of agression percieved in your posts. We aren't making fun of you, we are simply debating and discussing. We will be much more willing to view your information and credit you, if you can maintain a level headed posting style. I understand that you are convinced of this information, but we are not, and seeming threatening is a bad way to convince us to study and perhaps agree with it.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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24-02-2011, 07:01 AM
 
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I agree with Lilith 100%. If I thought you or this thread was 100% a waste of time I wouldn't be posting just for the sake of posting.

If you want to retain your credibility stop with the sarcasm, stop with the emo BS, just step back from the keyboard and compose yourself. When I was around your age I used to have feelings of rage and similar emotions as well- I know what it's like.

I just want to point out your comment about the zeitgeist videos and "thumbs up thumbs down", this depends on the quality of the video and who it is directed to watch it. For example a Christian made anti-Atheist video is going to get a large fraction of thumbs down, because it is aimed at Atheists and many Christians will not even want to watch it. Atheist videos presenting the lack of existence in god will usually get a high number of thumbs up (from atheists) with a few dislikes from religious people whose mission it is to go around on youtube and put a thumbs down on anything disregarding their faith. I suspect that the majority of zeitgeist followers will be watching all those videos with a cult-like following while other people either don't care or do not know what it's about. (I'll be honest I didn't know anything about it until I read it here. just like LP.) While I have just been trying to argue about the monetary system thus far, it is because I have not watched the videos or read too much of the links yet. I'm trying to do this on a personal level with you because watching the films and reading multiple pages on their websites is very time consuming. Just give it to me straight!
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24-02-2011, 05:16 PM
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Sosa Yeah that was offending too, well because you told me I am dumb, I used to get straight C's in school, now I have improve significantly, Please keep on insulting my grades, I encourage you to hate me. So I may gain more motivation to learn and beat you. I love competition.

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No money let's innovation to grow,it was shown in the movie with that chart. Like The wright's brother invention of the airplane. Well Zeitgeist put a lot of researched and work into it.Common propaganda ? I don't think so.

and yes, in some ways money does help people to be productive because then it's like having a reasons to work for it and be rich.

to me Money limit my abilities to innovate. Solving Cancer is bad, because then there would be no need for those pills which keeps the economy going. The monetary system blocks and halts to much scientific achievments. I think we should stop being greedy, and have the R.B.E. We will all have a high standard of living.

Zeitgeist 3 Moving Forward
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH...re=related
30,000 people liked this, 1000 dislike. I don't think it's propaganda. It is also non profit, and no money invested in it. They actually took the time and work to give us the public awareness about the monetary system.




Well I'm too lazy to researched this stuff for you guys, I'm really bored, don't wanna debate about the propaganda. Sure let's all go with the USA media. Well then off to do something better like spreading more words about the R.B.E.

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