ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
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24-02-2011, 05:38 PM
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Search propaganda, how many people do you think believed in the Nazi's plans? There were those scared to act, but plenty of them were just plain convinced what they were doing was right. I told you already I'm not attacking what you bring yet, I'm giving you help propaganda in film can mean other films. It's just been a common tool for it for quite a while. If you're tired of dealing with us, bookmark this and come back to it after you run into a lot of trouble spreading the word. After you calm down some you'll be able to see what I was telling you. At 14 I was a very capable debater, I still had issues sometimes with agression though. I'm just giving you tools for communicating and discussing your opinions with others.

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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24-02-2011, 05:40 PM (This post was last modified: 24-02-2011 05:45 PM by Laxion.)
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Lilith, that was a cool video, and I'm pretty sure the members consists of mostly non religious people because it shows religion have no value in society.

I don't like the monetary system because, it really limits advancements. Because People make in-efficient light bulbs and not very long lasting, so you use more electricity, paying more electric bills and taxes too. They also want you to have cancer so you buy pills and that helps the economy. Solving it will really have a huge impact on the economy. Also there are many in-efficient, and non lasting products.

It wastes a lot of resource, We have so much garbage, and landfills are getting fuller. We are wasting more resource than we are putting in back. It's going to be a problem if we ran out and can't recycle at a high efficiency.

The monetary systems also produces tons on green house gases, and releases harmful pollutants. Like how some company decides to dumb toxic waste elsewhere to save money. Heavy pollution can harm our respiratory system.

This is why I am against the monetary systems. I think I have made my point clear. This is why I'm going to support zeitgeist in making the R.B.E become reality. Also Sciences and innovations will advance. Making a Eco- friendly, cleaner energy, high efficiency world. With no more politics or religion. No more Wars of Poverty. Unifying humanity as one.

Because we only have 1 planet, and we are all trying to survive. Not destroy the world with wars, waste resource,and pollute everything.
I'm not mad at all. I am calm, not please stop inferring I am mad because I disagree about zeitgeist being propaganda. No major movement yet, but we are spreading the word to the people. Zeitgeists are on a world tour to spread the word. It's not like a quick transition, It's a slow steady process. Just because nothing new have been happening doesn't mean they aren't going to do it.

check it out
http://www.thevenusproject.com/blog/tag/...ture-tour/

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24-02-2011, 08:30 PM
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Wait a minunte, beside me not having credential, what about the other user ? I mean he is using that creationist site as his source.

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24-02-2011, 08:34 PM
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We are not progressing? Do you not know where we were 200 years ago? 100 years ago? 50 years ago? 10 years ago? Do you know who had a cell phone 10 years ago? Who had a home computer 15 years ago? Human progress is continueing, and at quite a fast rate. The reason why we don't have a cure for cancer is because the cells are exactly like your ordinary cells, they blend in, it is not because they are a bunch of sadistic bastards who want money. I have low hopes for humanity, but we are progressing well, and empathy does exist.

You know who is slowing down the process? In America conservatives, however in Europe they are far into their renewable energy processes, and continue to progress in that direction.
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24-02-2011, 10:12 PM
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We are progressing, yeah I know cancers is really difficult, they are the mutation of the ordinary cells. Hopefully nano bio-tech can help it out, and stem cell research. But then again without people buying pills, no money for the economy ?

I remember my science teacher last year told me about someone or group founding some cure, but they didn't want to share it with the public because then they would make no money because then nobody would buy pills. Something like that.

Technology, and information is growing at a exponentiation rate. You do know that technology like mechanics are replacing jobs in the Production industry. Highly sophisticated technologies are replacing people in everyday lives.

Technology we have today can replace 75% of our jobs.
Yeah I know Europe is awesome.

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25-02-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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If we cured cancer sure the drug companies might lose out on some "pills", but it's not like they'll go bankrupt since they sell pills for everything else, and they can always change the formula slightly and make another drug for people to try. In countries with universal health care curing cancer would save the gov't MILLIONS! And if someone found the cure for cancer I'm sure they'd be jumping on the first opportunity to get a nobel prize, so enough with using this silly example already.

If technology can replace 75% of our jobs that would simply mean 75% unemployment rate. The 25% of jobs left for computer programmers, engineers etc. would be empty since less than 25% of people are likely capable of doing those jobs.
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25-02-2011, 07:21 AM
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Things aren't that clean cut.
As far as pharmaceuticals go , if I'm not mistaken , during the swine flu pandemic each company had an upside and a downside.
Tamiflu produced by Roche was crap and Zanamivir produced by GSK was safer.
In the vaccine department the roles were almost reversed.
-this is assuming I'm remembering the peer reviewed literature correctly.

As for the "Big Pharma" conspiracy , don't buy into it.There are a lot of scam artists out there that are sometimes even worse than pharmaceutical corporations , like HIV deniers who encourage people who have AIDS to breast-feed children.
As for most companies , they have a few good drugs , a few bad drugs , and an array of mediocre drugs.

The same can be said for food additives.Some are unhealthy and should be banned but I'm not going to be paranoid over it anymore.

As a word of friendly warning Laxion , the conspiracy trip wasted 2 years of my life and almost ended me up in a mental asylum. At first you accept a few radical ideas based on some facts of corruption.Then more radical claims on even fewer evidence , then you arrive at a final stage where everything is a conspiracy and everyone who doesn't agree with you is "in on it".
Don't make my mistake - don't give in to this crap or it will mess up your life.

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25-02-2011, 08:47 AM
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First I have to admit that I have not read every word of this thread. If that disqualifies my comments, so be it.

I would just like to say to you Laxion, no one is "hating." No one is persecuting you or attacking you. No one is "targeting" you - you should calm down a little. I understand you are excited about something, and that's great. We're simply asking for your evidence that the Zeitgeist claims are true. Many of them do not appear to be. We are also asking for your evidence that the system that the Zeitgeist movement wishes to put in place would be beneficial, and do all the things that it says it would. Much of it has no evidence, has little evidence, or simply isn't testable or feasible. Much of it sounds good on the surface until you follow it through to its next steps.

Most people on this board are rational skeptics as well as atheists, and as such we seek verifiable evidence for all claims.

Please stay away from the argument from authority as you have been called on already. Popular opinion of an idea does not make an idea itself true or necessarily good. Millions of people believe Jesus Christ was God Incarnate. Does that make it true? Hundreds, perhaps thousands of scientists and great thinkers were theists or deists - does that mean God exists?

If you care about the truth of a claim, examine the evidence thoroughly. And do not interpret someone disagreeing with you as them hating you or your ideas. That is the kind of thinking that fundamentalists cultivate. Thank you.

Our brains deceive us on a regular basis, so we have to find ways to fight back.
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25-02-2011, 10:32 AM (This post was last modified: 25-02-2011 10:44 AM by sosa.)
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Laxion:

I never said school was pointless. Please don't put words in my mouth. I said that high school test grades are not the end all, be all of intelligence. You can get all the A's you want in middle school or high school, but that's not what determines intelligence.
Heres a good website debunking some Zeitgeist claims:

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

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25-02-2011, 05:51 PM
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(24-02-2011 10:12 PM)Laxion Wrote:  We are progressing, yeah I know cancers is really difficult, they are the mutation of the ordinary cells. Hopefully nano bio-tech can help it out, and stem cell research. But then again without people buying pills, no money for the economy ?

I remember my science teacher last year told me about someone or group founding some cure, but they didn't want to share it with the public because then they would make no money because then nobody would buy pills. Something like that.

Technology, and information is growing at a exponentiation rate. You do know that technology like mechanics are replacing jobs in the Production industry. Highly sophisticated technologies are replacing people in everyday lives.

Technology we have today can replace 75% of our jobs.
Yeah I know Europe is awesome.

If you realize we are progressing why are you spewing this "we are making crappier cars so we can get more money for the oil industry" propoganda? Miles per gallon averages are increasing! And you probably realize this. As for cancer, the cure would have to lie in genetic programming, something like that is not preventable unless your genetics make it impossible. You have cancer cells in your body right now! The only thing we could ever do is produce a pill which kills cancer cells, only problem with that is you'd continually take the pill because you are making more and more cancer cells. I find it odd that you state that the economy would collapse if we found a cure though, considering you live in Canada which has universal healthcare if I am not mistaken, and as stated before, it would save your country millions of dollars.

I think your science teacher was blowing smoke, or read a pseudo-scientific/ conspiracy article on it. Remember, just because someone has authority, doesn't mean they are always 100% believable.

Why would we want to replace human labor when the unemployment rate (in my state at least) is over 10%?! I can't even find a job right now (until I qualify for the military)! Having 75% of labor taken over by machines would completely destroy the economy.

You also never explained how the computer would not get viruses, not get hacked, and not get corrupted.
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