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08-03-2011, 10:19 AM
RE: ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
Quote:Well that website isn't really good at all, since it's all done by 1 person.

I also have a feeling he may be religious because he donates 10% of his income which most religious people do. You know religious people will come up with so many excuses to protect their belief. Just like how they say the earth is perfectly in orbit to support water on it's surface and that god did it. When the new Kepler rocket discover so much more planets also like 40 some planets in the Goldilocks zone.
Actually the site has many editors. If you'd read a little of the Addendum corrections, you would have noticed a part where an other editor has corrected some information.
I have no idea if he's religious or not, although I could bet that he's not. I doubt you can find him making an excuse to protect his claim, those parts would have been spotted by other scepticts and fixed.
(Does the fact that he's a supporter of the venus project increase his credibility in your eyes?)
Quote:Zeitgeists was done by a collaboration of people,also some of their sources that cost money which probably be textbook, Which is also done by a collaboration of credential people. And many other sources as well.
Titles like The Bankers , Conspiratorial Origins of the Federal Reserve, Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, The Federal Reserve Conspiracy, 9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, The Christ Conspiracy and so on and so on, don't sound like textbook names, more like conspiracy books. Who are these credential people?
Quote:I'm not sure about how the money mechanics work, but I'm sure of one thing that money enslaved people to work for a living. No work, no money, death.
Money enslaved people? When somebody figured out to use squirrel skins as a currency, they became more like slaves than they were before?
Quote:The american, or the CIA, also decides to kinda corrupt government in foreign countries, because the newly elected officials were helping the people.

They use a 3 step approach
1. Corrupt government, or overthrow.
2. Jackals, to kill the government.
3. War if all else fails...
Can I have an example. The CIA has helped with overthrowing leaders they don't like, but I haven't foudn anything that would have convinced me of some 'economic hit men' working with corporations and the world bank.
Quote:Oh yeah religion, I don't know if that was good or not, seems okay, Well there are already lot's of things to show religion is wrong. I guess the movie wanted to make more freethinkers in society, It makes a lot of sense, and it seems pretty accurate, I trust them, don't want to go and verify.
The religion part is mostly from Acharya S.'s, who's a ''a pseudo-historian who isn't considered academic by anyone except her followers'', books. And in the video, she told that alot of her sources and information is not avaiable and require language skills. Why is it that her interpretations and perceptions are not widely accepted?
Quote:Now just thinking about all of this make zeitgeist just more logical, freethinking, wonderful organization, to make society into a better place with a science type of system, the R.B.E.
Zeitgeist brutally fails in promoting RBE. By pulling subjects like religion and conspiracy theories into itself, it makes sure that it wont get support from alot of people.

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08-03-2011, 05:35 PM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2011 06:10 PM by Laxion.)
RE: ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
Well I'm not wasting my time verifying their stuff, well It's really about the R.B.E.

The movie wanted to change society, and not have reoccurring problems. Also to find solutions to things rather than making laws. Like It's illegal to drive while being drunk, and in that system, instead of making it a law, we implement a software to detect collision, and stop the car.

Well the 9/11 conspiracy made sense to war Iraq, and another to war Vietnam.

Really those book titles ? That was kind of funny, well now I'm interested in reading those books. Seems very interesting.

wait a minute that website supports the Venus project ? Zeitgeist is owned by the Venus project or rather the same group of people. Well Venus project and zeitgeist are strongly interlinked with one another.

I have an account on zeit canada, provincial Alberta, local chapter in edmonton.

you can just say what you want about it, I'm stubborn to not trust them Smile
Zeitgiest, are the communicator to spread the idea of the venus project around, and show everyone our current society is not that great at all.

Venus Project, is the idea of a new scientific based culture, To solve problems of the past, and not have reoccurring problems. To unite humanity, no more wars, or poverty.

In my definition though,

failing to promote R.B.E ? I don't think so, they did a fantastic job, just need more people to spread R.B.E. don't worry, I won't tell people the conspiracy is true. I'm telling people about the R.B.E about solving problems in life, and make life better for everyone. I don't mind if you don't trust the conspiracy part , as long as you are support R.B.E. Then yay Big Grin

ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD | OFFICIAL RELEASE | 2011
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08-03-2011, 10:53 PM
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Hey you know what, those conspiracy claims, they couldn't explain everything in the movie, probably on a time budget.

Just watching this, makes me trust them a lot more, now, we have experts talking about the 9/11 incidents. I bet it's impossible now to disprove their claims, in fact I bet they did a wonderful job, and their claims were controversial, because I have seen a dozen of people refuting it, some used religion, and well most of those videos are down thumbs.

Those claims seems really trustworthy, zeitgeist has really impressed me, don't understand you guys now.

there are 4 parts to this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIy...re=related

I can't believe I didn't watch the 1st movie, I thought I did, yay secrets Big Grin

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09-03-2011, 12:33 PM
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Quote:wait a minute that website supports the Venus project ?
''I am actually a supporter of the Venus Project and so it may seem strange to some that I am against its so-called 'activist arm'. The Zeitgeist Movement at its core is a conspiracy theory movement. The majority of followers believe the claims Peter Joseph makes. I want conspiracy theorists reading this to consider three relevant questions:
Quote:Just watching this, makes me trust them a lot more, now, we have experts talking about the 9/11 incidents. I bet it's impossible now to disprove their claims, in fact I bet they did a wonderful job, and their claims were controversial, because I have seen a dozen of people refuting it, some used religion, and well most of those videos are down thumbs.
Thumbs don't tell about the information provided, they tell about the viewers. I don't recommend refutations in video form, sourced text is the best

Conspiracy theories seem obviously true when only using the information that the conspiracy theorists give. But they usually fall when the rest of the information about the case is provided. 911 conspiracy theories are one of the most refuted ones. There shouldn't be any trouble finding one that provides good sources, then you can compare their info with the conspiracy theorist's info.
I don't recomend swallowing extraordinary claims before properly tasting them. You might trust everything they say, but that's not a good way of acquiring knowledge.
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09-03-2011, 05:23 PM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2011 06:12 PM by Laxion.)
RE: ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
There were experts in that movie. I rather trusts experts than random group of people on that site you gave me.

Did you watch the whole thing? I'm going to assume you did watched all 4 parts.

did you think that 9/11 was an inside job to war Iraq ? I do, the evidence clearly points to it.

9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luF...re=related

read the description of that video too.

hmm the planes too...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2QAh0rBr...re=related

well I'm sorry, the evidence clearly convinced me that someone was behind this, Maybe the government, since they surpress the media, and the FBI got hold of the camera from the hotel close to the pentagon watching the pentagon



Beside Zeitgeist, other videos clearly shows about the secrets of 9/11.
Well time to spread Venus project, maybe should of renamed this venus project.
I have a feeling most of you guys didn't see the whole thing, just saw a bit of it, because I remember some of you stop watching it after some extreme claims. They do have evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

Beside zeitgeist showing it, there were other people as well.

That money mechanics file you gave me was based on the bank of chicago, not about the federal reserve.

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09-03-2011, 11:53 PM
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I used to be a conspiracy nut myself until I saw the light, so to speak. I used to be a 9/11 "Truther" until the evidence against the conspiracy theories of it being and inside job were too much to deny.

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10-03-2011, 01:54 AM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2011 01:57 AM by Buddy Christ.)
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Personally I think the conspiracy South Park episode sums it up nicely.

"Quite simple to pull off, really. All I had to do was have explosives planted at the base of the towers, then on 9-11 we pretended like four planes were being hijacked when really we just rerouted them to Pennsylvania then flew two military jets into the World Trade Center filled with more explosives and shot down all the witnesses in Flight 93 with an F-15 after blowing up the pentagon with a cruise missile. It was only the world's most intricate and flawlessly executed planm ever, ever." -George W. Bush

"Did you know that 1/4th of the American people believe in the conspiracy? Are you saying that 1/4th of Americans are retarded?"

"Yeah at least 1/4th. Let's take a test sample. There are 4 of us, you're a retard. 1/4th of us are retards."


This is the same government that couldn't get blankets and water to New Orleans in under a month.

I worked in the military for 4 years and have witnessed first hand the incompetence and worthlessness of those with rank.

Plus all the "evidence" from the zeitgeist videos have counter-evidence videos if you would just look for them. Every time they say something like "how come there are no pieces of the plane?" there's another video going "right here... these are the pictures of the plane and here's the black box."

Quite similar to the Obama birthers. "Where's the birth certificate??" "Right here." "Show us the birth certificate!" "I'm showing it to you. It's the top 3 results of a google search and quite easy to find." "Go back to Africa!" "...What?"

And the "did you know jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel?" nonsense is countered by demolition teams explaining that you don't need to melt steel to bring a building down. Etc.

Conspiracy theorists will find conspiracies in any major tragedy. Who REALLY sank the titanic??

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10-03-2011, 10:04 AM
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(08-03-2011 05:35 PM)Laxion Wrote:  Well I'm not wasting my time verifying their stuff
Well then why should we spend any time believing you?

(08-03-2011 05:35 PM)Laxion Wrote:  you can just say what you want about it, I'm stubborn to not trust them Smile
Just as theists are stubborn not to trust their pastors and religious leaders. I hate to keep making this comparison, but I'm just calling it like I see it.

(08-03-2011 05:35 PM)Laxion Wrote:  Venus Project, is the idea of a new scientific based culture, To solve problems of the past, and not have reoccurring problems. To unite humanity, no more wars, or poverty.
Which is what many people are working towards and it sounds wonderful (mostly) - but you also can't just force a system of government or control on people and have it work like flipping a switch. If somehow this new system took over tomorrow - do you think the grocer down the store is going to suddenly not accept my twenty dollar bill for my groceries? Is the local congregation going to stop believing in their deity? Are racists suddenly going to stop being racist?

(08-03-2011 05:35 PM)Laxion Wrote:  yZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD | OFFICIAL RELEASE | 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH...re=related
38,724 likes, 1,806 dislikes
3,946,273 views.
Dude. Please stop quoting how many people like a video vs. how many people dislike it. It has NOTHING to do with the truth claims of the video. Come on. 50,000 people might believe I have an invisible dragon next to me, and those 50,000 people might like that idea and think it's great. IT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE A FUCKING INVISIBLE DRAGON NEXT TO ME.

(08-03-2011 10:53 PM)Laxion Wrote:  Just watching this, makes me trust them a lot more, now, we have experts talking about the 9/11 incidents. I bet it's impossible now to disprove their claims, in fact I bet they did a wonderful job, and their claims were controversial, because I have seen a dozen of people refuting it, some used religion, and well most of those videos are down thumbs.

Those claims seems really trustworthy, zeitgeist has really impressed me, don't understand you guys now.
I hate to do it, but I'm going to make this comparison again. Lots of religions make claims that their followers don't think can be disproven. They make claims that lots of people find impressive. They're presented well. Told in certain ways, they seem very plausible to lots of people. They seem very trustworthy. IT DOES NOT MAKE THEM TRUE.

Sorry for the caps and the cursing (well, not really) but Laxion you continue to ignore the points brought up and you continue to demonstrate that you are going to believe in the Zeitgeist hype and conspiracy claims pretty much no matter what. In the first quote above you outright admit that you are not going to put in the effort to verify their claims - yet you seem to wish others would believe you and believe them in what they say. I see a direct comparison with Zeitgeist "true believers" and religious "true believers." Believe the claims despite any contrary evidence, wave away objections with numbers of how many people believe and follow, and then shift the goalpost and say that the criticisms of the movement or religion don't really matter because the ultimate goal or purpose is noble. Zeitgeist isn't actually about government conspiracies, it's about creating a better society - so the objections don't matter. Christianity isn't actually about sin and punishment and the mistakes of Yahweh, it's really about love and charity - so the objections don't matter.

I personally don't see any further reason for me to comment here - good luck with your religion er, movement.

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10-03-2011, 10:17 AM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2011 12:23 PM by Kikko.)
RE: ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT!
Quote:That money mechanics file you gave me was based on the bank of chicago, not about the federal reserve.
And yet Zeitgeist Addendum uses it to explain how money is created. Smile And fails in it.


K, if you want to argue for a 911 conspiracy, please use text form. That way you can easily track down the sources.
You know what kind of a sound a relatively small wood miller does if the blade hits the table? A very loud *BOOM* explosion sound. You can only imagine what kind of sound a perishing skyscraper can make.
If I know anything about anything, demolitions are done from the bottom. We can see that the tower collapses from upper levels to the bottom. And the *tun-tun-tun-tun...* 'explosions' happened as the building was collapsing, not before it.
Flying planes to the buildings clearly wasn't enough for the conspirators to go to Iraq, they really needed to plant explosives too. They're also didn't seem to put much thought into it.

Have you read any refuting articles? The evidence that the conspiracy theorist's point out is not all of the evidence. You can prove just about anything if only the evidence that you provide is notified.
Quote:Who REALLY sank the titanic??
Well that's obvious. John Iceberg. And that guy's still on the loose...

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10-03-2011, 10:43 AM
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A random Britney Spears youtube video has 100 million views and 500,000 likes. Does that mean it's good music? No, that just means that there are a lot of retards with internet connection.

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