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27-02-2011, 07:50 AM
a thread that made me want to vomit
I was on the Escapist checking out gaming out gaming news when I came across a thread that literally made me want to stop and vomit.
Maybe I'm not that capable of stomaching this crap , but take a look for yourselves :
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/r...-Maybe-not

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27-02-2011, 10:11 AM
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My dad got drunk and molested my sister, I've been molested myself. I don't view my dad as horrible for what happened with my sister, he instantly stopped drinking and admitted to everything. The real horrendousness of pedophilia is that most of the people see nothing wrong with it. I'll agree that in dealing with 12 and on it becomes a question because different places have different rules. But the fact that a large number of pedophiles prey and victimize is a fact that can't be ignored. The statement that not everyone is that bad is of course truthful. My dad never had any recurrence and my sister loves him for the person he became due to the incident, but where I live that doesn't mean he can ever be given leniency by the law (because he admitted it).

Child pornography is not something that should be accepted as it's abuse of a child to make the photo, and predatory pedophiles should not be seen as anything but monsters. However there are people who can run into the concept in other ways. It's a dangerous supposition to state that the idea of something becomes reason enough someone is a monster. There are plenty of monsters, but not everyone should be punished for those monsters.

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27-02-2011, 12:18 PM
 
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I was able to stomach it, but barely.

First I think we need to establish what we consider a "pedophile". Is this someone that commits an act of molestation/rape/sexual abuse (INCLUDING creating/distributing child pornography), or does this include anyone that has a sexual desire towards children (but realizes it is hurtful, damaging, and wrong) however maybe peeks at child porn from time to time?

Anyone that knowingly, actively molests/rapes/sexually abuses a child in any way that is not drunk or high is 100% a monster and should be punished with greater severity then the majority of murderers, in my opinion. Don't give them any help, they are beyond help and do not deserve it. Lock them up and throw away the key. You can say I have a dogmatic view on this if you like, I don't care. The thought of a child screwing and crying having something forced upon them is the worst thing I can think of, aside from having your head slowly decapitated with a hack saw.

If an adult is drunk/stoned and touches a young person it is still very serious and that person should be punished, assessed and perhaps should seek help, depending if they were acting on underlying impulses or not.

I agree with LP about the issue of child porn. There have been numerous crackdowns that I have heard on the news and I am 100% behind the gov't/police spending as much tax money as needed to get as many of these pieces of shit behind bars as possible. This then raises the issue of "cartoon" child porn, is this okay or is it very wrong? Is it punishable? In my opinion it only strengthens a pedophile's appetite for this sick behavior and like a drug they will eventually want more and seek real child porn or real children.

This is a real problem and it is extremely severe. I don't think we should allow any grey area. Keep it black and white. Let them be scared. If someone has the urge or desire for child porn they should be encouraged to seek anonymous help immediately, and perhaps they can be treated somehow. Don't let it be too late that they are forced to get help after they have done something bad.

There was a local guy that made and sold(?) these bumper stickers "kill your local pedophile". He was even interviewed on local radio. I applaud him.
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27-02-2011, 12:39 PM
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I'm sorry to bring up such a disgusting topic but I need to vent and talk about this - every week or so I check a gaming site it's another one of these threads that are top commented.
Either a 54 year old man that met a 13 year old girl through runescape , either the issue of manga characters that are supposed to be over 18 but look more like 8 and so on.

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27-02-2011, 03:34 PM
 
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Pedophilia is considered a medical condition.

I am forced to question the hate against pedophiles. Is it their fault they're attracted to children? I don't think so. I hate molestation and rape as much as anyone else would, perhaps more, but this whole hate thing reminds me of how gays are ostracized.
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27-02-2011, 03:38 PM
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People who take advantage of and harm children should be hung in a public square and left to rot. There is no excuse for it, not even being drunk or on drugs.

However, I think we need to be careful about where the lines are drawn or who we classify as a pedophile or sex offender. If a 19 year old boy has sex with a 15 year old girl, I don't think that quite qualifies. Lines can get tough to establish but for these types of crimes what you're dealing with is power, not sex. When one person has power over the other, be it physical or just an image of authority (like a parent or a member of the clergy who the child trusts), then you've got a problem. A couple of similar age dating is not nearly the same thing. But, if you've got a guy in his 30s dating a 15 year old, then yes, I think the power issue comes into play and you've got a problem.

And, then we get back to some rope, a tree, etc.....

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27-02-2011, 05:43 PM
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(27-02-2011 03:34 PM)Sacrieur Wrote:  I am forced to question the hate against pedophiles. Is it their fault they're attracted to children?

Whether or not this statement is answered as a yes or no, it is their fault if they take action towards children. All one's actions are one's responsibility.

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27-02-2011, 08:18 PM
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(27-02-2011 05:43 PM)No J. Wrote:  
(27-02-2011 03:34 PM)Sacrieur Wrote:  I am forced to question the hate against pedophiles. Is it their fault they're attracted to children?

Whether or not this statement is answered as a yes or no, it is their fault if they take action towards children. All one's actions are one's responsibility.

This this and so much this!! You may not be able to control your thoughts, but you certainly can control what you do with them. I don't think there is any question that these people know right from wrong. If they then choose to touch a child, they deserve everything that's coming to them.

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27-02-2011, 08:22 PM
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(27-02-2011 03:34 PM)Sacrieur Wrote:  Pedophilia is considered a medical condition.

I am forced to question the hate against pedophiles. Is it their fault they're attracted to children? I don't think so. I hate molestation and rape as much as anyone else would, perhaps more, but this whole hate thing reminds me of how gays are ostracized.

No, it's not. Gays are ostracized for not conforming to others views of what "normal" is. Pedophiles are hated and hunted for being criminals who commit atrocities on the weakest members of society: children.

Comparing the treatment of gays to the treatment of pedophiles is insulting and offensive on so many levels.

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28-02-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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BnW Wrote:Comparing the treatment of gays to the treatment of pedophiles is insulting and offensive on so many levels.

Only because you've been conditioned to hate them by society.

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Free_Thinker Wrote:There was a local guy that made and sold(?) these bumper stickers "kill your local pedophile". He was even interviewed on local radio. I applaud him.

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You're all making a logical fallacy. Just because someone is a pedophile does not mean they are a child molester or rapist. This is known as affirming the consequent, and your reasoning can be summed up as follows:

If someone is a child molester/rapist, then they are a pedophile.

If a person is a pedophile, then they are a child molester/rapist.

Originally, the argument form is If A, then B (known as modus ponens). The second argument is in the form If B, then A (affirming the consequent). Affirming the consequent is a logical fallacy. Allow me to counter-example it.

If you are a horse, then you are a mammal.

Glenn Beck is a mammal, therefore he is a horse.

This clearly isn't true, so your reasoning is faulty.
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