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01-08-2014, 03:33 PM
according to this article there are no atheist
http://feedshare.flipora.com/new/flip.ht...-seriously
I'm still reading it.

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01-08-2014, 04:56 PM (This post was last modified: 01-08-2014 05:00 PM by bobsyeruncle.)
RE: according to this article there are no atheist
Well, the source is suspicious, with little gems like this:

Flipora Wrote:In Romans 1:18-23, the apostle Paul writes that "what can be known about God is plain to them"—that is, all men—and that "his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." He then goes so far as to state that all such people "knew God" (v. 21). The implication, thus, is that man innately assumes the existence of his Creator until he convinces himself to think otherwise.

http://feedshare.flipora.com/new/flip.ht...-seriously

So, I would first start with the original article: http://www.science20.com/writer_on_the_e...A.facebook

And it's an opinion piece with no references to back up any of the assertions of science supporting Vittachi's claims. He did say this:

Nury Vittachi Wrote:These findings may go a long way to explaining a series of puzzles in recent social science studies. In the United States, 38% of people who identified themselves as atheist or agnostic went on to claim to believe in a God or a Higher Power (Pew Forum, “Religion and the Unaffiliated”, 2012).

From which I was able google this link: http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones...-religion/

Well, first of all, atheists and agnostics got lumped in together, which is going to skew what atheists actually believe. But the survey further lumps in a question of whether any of them believe in God or a higher power. What if 100% of them actually believe in a higher power? And what is that higher power? Do a large majority of the people polled believe that the society they live in is higher than themselves? Or that reality is larger than themselves? What does higher power actually mean?

For that matter, from the poll, what does "spirituality" actually mean?

There are several attempts in Vittachi's article to link any kind of magical thinking back to God. And then go further on to imply that it's all related to the same god.

Nury Vittachi Wrote:The implication is that we all believe in a not dissimilar range of tangible and intangible realities. Whether a particular brand of higher consciousness is included in that list (“I believe in God”, “I believe in some sort of higher force”, “I believe in no higher consciousness”) is little more than a detail.

There's a lot to pick apart in the article. But, I did find this particular reply while attempting to google some of the sources (that weren't cited in the article):

Why Evolution Is True Wrote:1. We tell ourselves narratives about our lives.

Scientists have discovered that “invisible friends” are not something reserved for children. We all have them, and encounter them often in the form of interior monologues. As we experience events, we mentally tell a non-present listener about it.

The imagined listener may be a spouse, it may be Jesus or Buddha or it may be no one in particular. It’s just how the way the human mind processes facts. The identity, tangibility or existence of the listener is irrelevant.


That’s just hogwash. An interior monologue doesn’t mean that it’s directed at someone other than ourselves; it’s just a way of processing what we experience. And to equate that with the “invisible friend” of God is ludicrous. No more need be said.

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http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/...not-exist/
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01-08-2014, 05:30 PM
RE: according to this article there are no atheist
Buncha Presuppositionalist garbage.

"because multidisciplinary research is increasingly backing the idea that human beings are hard-wired to believe in God, according to Science 2.0 writer Nury Vittachi in an article titled, "Scientists discover that atheists might not exist, and that's not a joke."
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Except he never cites the studies.

"A]theism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think," Vittachi cites avowed atheist Graham Lawton as writing in New Scientist. "They point to studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal soul."

Maybe he does. I don't. No atheist I know thinks that crap. Nor does he tell us how he knows that.

"The article also cites another atheist researcher who demonstrated that all people engage in internal monologue, regardless of whether the person to whom their thoughts are directed is actually present."

So. Talking to yourself somehow means you think there is a god ? What a dolt.

"Equally demonstrable is the intrinsic human tendency to believe in divine justice."

No. The idea that the universe should somehow be "fair" is not a religious idea. It's a well known concept in Psychology, and applies to animals and other primates. What a dumb shit.

"If I commit a sin, it is not an isolated event but will have appropriate repercussions."

Wrong again. Guilt. A learned response.

"This idea, he writes, is played out on a number of differently levels—including narrative literature, where even atheist authors invariably write stories that "exist to establish that there exists a mechanism or a person—cosmic destiny, karma, God, fate, Mother Nature—to make sure the right thing happens to the right person."

Like cancer occurring in children. Right. Fucktard.

"Even the staunchest nontheists are not exempted from such habits, according to the writer. "If a loved one dies, even many anti-religious people usually feel a need for a farewell ritual, complete with readings from old books and intoned declarations that are not unlike prayers," Vittachi writes. "In war situations, commanders frequently comment that atheist soldiers pray far more than they think they do."

The need for ritual closure was what caused the original rise of religion in human culture, not the other way around.

"According to the writer, atheists tend to exhibit the same sociological, psychological dependence on the intangible as religious folk do, even if the former reject the existence of anything supernatural. "Statistics show that the majority of people who stop being part of organized religious groups don't become committed atheists, but retain a mental model in which 'The Universe' somehow has a purpose for humanity," says Vittachi.

His point is what. "The majority" Yet he never quotes his studies. Fool

"While Vittachi attempts to connect all these theistic proclivities to an evolutionary source, missing one key bit of evidence: it is the biblical Christian worldview, not the secular humanist worldview, which accurately predicts a human bent towards belief in God."

Wrong. Belief in the gods. The Hebrews were not monotheistic.

"In Romans 1:18-23, the apostle Paul writes that "what can be known about God is plain to them"—that is, all men—and that "his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." He then goes so far as to state that all such people "knew God" (v. 21). The implication, thus, is that man innately assumes the existence of his Creator until he convinces himself to think otherwise."

Wrong. Projection. Presuppositionalist crap. Using religion to prove religion. Things couldn't get more circular.

"This biblical teaching is not unique to Paul. Proverbs 9:10 says, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding," echoing the same sentiment of other Old Testament passages. In essence, one cannot truly possess wisdom and knowledge if one denies the essential fact of existence: that the transcendent God is the ultimate measure of reality."

IF and only if you are a believer. More retard projection.

"While Vittachi may be a few steps short of walking down the aisle at the next altar call, the findings he describes lead to one critical conclusion: perhaps it is atheists, not God, who truly do not exist."

Conclusion in no way supported by his crap assertions, supported by NOTHING.
How stupid does he think we are ?

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01-08-2014, 05:39 PM
RE: according to this article there are no atheist
If the person that wrote the article believes there are no atheists, does that mean they are an a-atheist? Consider

Popcorn I put more thought into fiction than theists put into reality.
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01-08-2014, 11:12 PM
RE: according to this article there are no atheist
Blah blah blah, we all really know god exists, blah blah balh, we just pretend we don't know so we can continue to sin blah blah blah [circular reasoning] blah blah blah Sye Ten Bruggencate. Facepalm
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