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23-01-2017, 11:41 AM
RE: #alternativefacts
(23-01-2017 10:43 AM)Impulse Wrote:  No it doesn't. Conway was being pressed into explaining why Spicer was told to utter "a provable falsehood" and, after she avoided answering that question a couple of times, she was cornered and the "alternative facts" was nothing but her excuse for not having a better explanation.


She suggested it's not a "provable falsehood", and claimed that this was Todd's opinion. Todd kept proceeding as if it were a "provable falsehood", rather than any real evidence indicating that. As indicated earlier estimating the crowd size here is not an exact science, Kellyanne appeared to be suggesting that the press secretary used a different set of metrics in support of his conclusion.

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23-01-2017, 11:53 AM
RE: #alternativefacts
(23-01-2017 11:26 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(23-01-2017 09:54 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Not to defend Trump or his team here, and after hearing an interview with the press sectary in question, and watching the interview. It seems that whats being implied by the term "alternative facts", are another series of facts, supporting a counter position. Estimating crowd sizes is not an exact science, the press secretary suggested he used metro riders as a means. He also point out the picture comparisons, are inaccurate because the pictures used from Trump's crowd was prior to him talking the stand, while Obama's wasn't.

I don't know how accurate his claims here are, but it does help clarify Kellyanne's use of the term "alternative facts".
These photos were 1/2 hour apart. Trump is at 11:05, Obama is 11:35. And if you look carefully the Obama photo is taken further away and still can't get everyone in the photo. There are many thousands of people at the bottom of the photo that are out of range. There is a system of measuring crowd size that has been used and seems to be quite accurate.

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Kellyanne is a liar, so is trump.

Where did you get the times from? I was trying to find that myself. Because according to his press secretary it was prior to Trump taking the stage, and Obama's was after he already took the stage?

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23-01-2017, 12:14 PM
RE: #alternativefacts
Conway never has trouble saying things. She had trouble getting "alternative facts" out. She knew what a load of shit it was, and that she would be called on it.

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23-01-2017, 12:28 PM
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(23-01-2017 12:14 PM)Dom Wrote:  Conway never has trouble saying things. She had trouble getting "alternative facts" out. She knew what a load of shit it was, and that she would be called on it.

When you hang around with Trump all day it's easy to say something stupid.

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23-01-2017, 12:30 PM
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Hitler's real name was "Jesus Christ." #alternativeFacts

Hilary's real name is "Bill" and Bill's real name is "Hilary" #alternativeFacts

Trump is a decent human being #alternativeFacts

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23-01-2017, 12:33 PM
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(23-01-2017 11:41 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  She suggested it's not a "provable falsehood", and claimed that this was Todd's opinion. Todd kept proceeding as if it were a "provable falsehood", rather than any real evidence indicating that. As indicated earlier estimating the crowd size here is not an exact science, Kellyanne appeared to be suggesting that the press secretary used a different set of metrics in support of his conclusion.
The Washington Post has the text of the interview. Conway went off on major tangents twice before Todd finally cornered her into claiming it was "alternative facts". He had to point out 3 times that she had not answered the question before she finally made an attempt to answer it with the "alternative facts" remark. She was clearly avoiding the question. Where in that text does it show her suggesting it wasn't a provable falsehood or that it's Todd's opinion? And of course Todd kept proceeding like it's a provable falsehood - because it is!

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23-01-2017, 12:35 PM (This post was last modified: 23-01-2017 12:45 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: #alternativefacts
(23-01-2017 12:14 PM)Dom Wrote:  Conway never has trouble saying things. She had trouble getting "alternative facts" out. She knew what a load of shit it was, and that she would be called on it.

Conway is from a (her) PR firm. She's not a journalist. SPIN is her stock and trade. She is a professional liar. That's what's she's paid to do. For some reason she and Trump think that people accept the shit that flows from their mouths. She (a non-journalist) has no business telling journalists how to do their job. I can't stand her. She's like Wendy-what's-her-fuck that Dawkins interviewed. They think if they smile at the end of a lie, it makes it true. She's a fraud. (And BTW, with THAT much money, why can't she do something with her horrible stringy hair, and learn how to speak in public ? She always sounds like a defensive bitch.) Why is it that blond horse-faced women are conservatives ? Tongue

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23-01-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: #alternativefacts
Generally speaking people say "these are the actual facts", not "these are the alternative facts". So it's a pretty ridiculous mistake to make, even if it is just a mistake.

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23-01-2017, 12:42 PM (This post was last modified: 23-01-2017 12:51 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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(23-01-2017 12:37 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  Generally speaking people say "these are the actual facts", not "these are the alternative facts". So it's a pretty ridiculous mistake to make, even if it is just a mistake.

She knew how preposterous what she was saying was. She had a little smirk on her face when she was doing her lines.

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23-01-2017, 01:15 PM
RE: #alternativefacts
(23-01-2017 12:33 PM)Impulse Wrote:  
(23-01-2017 11:41 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  She suggested it's not a "provable falsehood", and claimed that this was Todd's opinion. Todd kept proceeding as if it were a "provable falsehood", rather than any real evidence indicating that. As indicated earlier estimating the crowd size here is not an exact science, Kellyanne appeared to be suggesting that the press secretary used a different set of metrics in support of his conclusion.
The Washington Post has the text of the interview. Conway went off on major tangents twice before Todd finally cornered her into claiming it was "alternative facts". He had to point out 3 times that she had not answered the question before she finally made an attempt to answer it with the "alternative facts" remark. She was clearly avoiding the question. Where in that text does it show her suggesting it wasn't a provable falsehood or that it's Todd's opinion? And of course Todd kept proceeding like it's a provable falsehood - because it is!

I'll concede the point.

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