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05-06-2014, 03:05 AM
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(05-06-2014 03:00 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yes, you are presupposing that high tech is no different than any other area.

Are you claiming it isn't?
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05-06-2014, 03:07 AM
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I refuse to label myself as a feminist because of the extremist all men are pigs attitude that seems to be associated with feminism these days.

I hate this stupid gender war. Pointing your finger at the opposite sex and saying "you're the problem!" is completely childish.

What if we judge individual people based on their actions instead of their gender? Why is that so hard. I happen to be young and western. I don't feel like I am entitled to anything more than the same respect I give to everyone else.

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05-06-2014, 03:45 AM
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(05-06-2014 03:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(05-06-2014 02:03 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Oooh excellent! Can we start comparing data on gender equality now?

Please lets!

Show me your data that are specific to high tech companies, principally the engineering groups.

Start off with an initial imbalance of gender and race due to socio-economic reasons:

Tech: Where the women and minorities aren't

Quote:It's a funhouse mirror image of the American workforce, which is 47% female, 16% Hispanic, 12% black and 12% Asian, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Google released its diversity numbers Wednesday after it (and most other tech firms) have spent years without disclosing such figures.

Just 1% of its tech staff are black. Two percent are Hispanic. The one well-represented minority group is Asians, who make up 34% of the company's tech workers. Eighty-three percent of Google's tech workers internationally are male.For non-tech jobs, the number is 52%.

The numbers are especially astounding for California, where 38% of the population is Hispanic, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Asians make up 14% of the state.


... now exacerbate the problem by hiring people who fit your culture by using jargon such as "culture fit" (an excuse I was given when I wanted to hire a 50 year old system admin)

This Is Why There Aren't Enough Women In Tech


As The Silicon Valley Gender Gap Remains Striking, What's It Like To Be One Of The Few Women There?

Quote:Even in major tech companies, the lack of female representation is startling: Though an estimated 70 percent of its users are female, Pinterest’s board of directors is made up entirely of men. Until last year, Twitter also had an all-male board. Women represent less than 10 percent of venture capitalists; less than a third of employees in the tech sector; and contribute to just 1.2 percent of open-source software. The numbers are even worse for women of color: they represent less than three percent of people working in the technology field.

One woman well-versed in Silicon Valley’s gender imbalance is Karen Catlin. Catlin is on the board of directors at the CLUB, a Silicon Valley organization that aims to propel female leaders forward. In her 25 years in the industry, Catlin tells Bustle, she’s actually seen computer science’s gender gap grow larger.

Quote:A recent report from the U.S. Census Bureau indicates there’s been little to no progress in minimizing the gender gap, both in the computer field (currently 27 percent female) and in engineering (13 percent). Several factors are credited as being behind the male-heavy environment: fewer women majoring in the subjects, for example, and a culture that prizes male dominance.


Tipping The Scales For Gender Balance In Tech


The glass ceiling:

This One Stat Shows Just How Far Behind Silicon Valley Is On Gender Equality

Quote:In the 2013 proxy season, more than 80% of Silicon Valley 150 companies had only one woman director or none at all.

And we're not just talking about four-person startups; the average number of employees in these 150 companies is 8,500.


Inequality of pay:

Gender gap: Men getting paid more than women in Silicon Valley

Quote:Men who hold graduate or professional degrees earn a whopping 73 percent more than women with the same educational qualifications, while men with a bachelor’s degree earn 40 percent more than women with the same credentials, the study found.
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05-06-2014, 03:57 AM
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(05-06-2014 03:07 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  I refuse to label myself as a feminist because of the extremist all men are pigs attitude that seems to be associated with feminism these days.

I hate this stupid gender war. Pointing your finger at the opposite sex and saying "you're the problem!" is completely childish.

What if we judge individual people based on their actions instead of their gender? Why is that so hard. I happen to be young and western. I don't feel like I am entitled to anything more than the same respect I give to everyone else.

I have wondered why young women run the other way when feminist is mentioned. A stereotype seems to have emerged: dyke, men haters, women oppose to the feminine: bows, ribbons, makeup, pregnancy, dresses, short dresses, etc.

However, present day, current feminism is third wave. They tend to focus on the condition of society and gender; gender here being inclusive of everything gender related.

LostandInsecure, I really don't see what you are saying. I have the pleasure of knowing many men and women calling themselves feminists. None I have met so far are hate filled against men. Although, I am sure there are people who present themselves so. These I would call mentally ill.

Without feminists in the world, I'm afraid the women in Afghanistan, many African countries, and women in all third world countries would be adrift with no hope for their future as free and independent women. There are women in these countries fighting tooth and nail to abolish genital mutilation, marrying off 9 year old girls, child prostitution, honor killings, the list goes on. And I believe we continue to need identified feminists in the western world also..

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05-06-2014, 04:04 AM
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(05-06-2014 03:07 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  I refuse to label myself as a feminist because of the extremist all men are pigs attitude that seems to be associated with feminism these days.

I hate this stupid gender war. Pointing your finger at the opposite sex and saying "you're the problem!" is completely childish.

What if we judge individual people based on their actions instead of their gender? Why is that so hard. I happen to be young and western. I don't feel like I am entitled to anything more than the same respect I give to everyone else.

Yeah feminist scare me too. Why can't we be like snails.

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05-06-2014, 04:07 AM
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(05-06-2014 03:03 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(05-06-2014 03:00 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yes, you are presupposing that high tech is no different than any other area.

No I'm not. Show me where I said that.

In your response to my post about the high tech sector.

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05-06-2014, 04:09 AM
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(05-06-2014 04:04 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(05-06-2014 03:07 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  I refuse to label myself as a feminist because of the extremist all men are pigs attitude that seems to be associated with feminism these days.

I hate this stupid gender war. Pointing your finger at the opposite sex and saying "you're the problem!" is completely childish.

What if we judge individual people based on their actions instead of their gender? Why is that so hard. I happen to be young and western. I don't feel like I am entitled to anything more than the same respect I give to everyone else.

Yeah feminist scare me too. Why can't we be like snails.

I am stricken.

I am not a scary person--yes? Big Grin

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05-06-2014, 04:09 AM
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(05-06-2014 03:05 AM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  
(05-06-2014 03:00 AM)Chas Wrote:  Yes, you are presupposing that high tech is no different than any other area.

Are you claiming it isn't?

Read the thread, dude.

I don't know about 'any other area', but I claim that high tech is pretty free of gender discrimination in pay and promotion, in my experience.
I have been in the high tech sector for decades.

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05-06-2014, 04:10 AM
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(05-06-2014 04:09 AM)Dee Wrote:  
(05-06-2014 04:04 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  Yeah feminist scare me too. Why can't we be like snails.

I am stricken.

I am not a scary person--yes? Big Grin

Guess there is the exception to the rule.

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05-06-2014, 04:13 AM
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(04-06-2014 08:08 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  Rev- is this what you were referring to?

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(05-06-2014 04:10 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(05-06-2014 04:09 AM)Dee Wrote:  I am stricken.

I am not a scary person--yes? Big Grin

Guess their is the exception to the rule.

*there

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