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14-10-2016, 12:18 PM
atheist study of gospel of John?
does anyone have a good reference link or book suggestion for looking at the book of John from an atheist POV?

I'm constantly getting propositioned to read this particular book of the bible by my christian friends so that we can discuss it together. I enjoy the discussions, i'm just not the sharpest tool in the shed and could use some help getting my thoughts together.

It seems like they have an endless supply of supplemental material for learning about the bible from their POV, but as a non believer, I cant find much to study that isnt biased. I'm not real fond of the skeptics annotated bible, its not much of a help.
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14-10-2016, 12:36 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
I like Bart Ehrman's The Bible: A Historical and Literary Introduction. In fact, it's the second time today that I've recommended his book. Wink

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14-10-2016, 01:00 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/john.htm
http://ogdoas.wordpress.com/category/gno...l-of-john/
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/john.html

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14-10-2016, 01:02 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
Ehrman also has a similar book specifically on the New Testament. You might find more about the gospel of John in that book than in the one that covers the whole Bible. There is also the good old Skeptics Annotated Bible, which is online, so you can consult it for free. That is definitely an atheist perspective.

The Ehrman book is The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings.

https://www.google.com/url?url=https://g...5rRQlXnczA
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14-10-2016, 01:11 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
(14-10-2016 01:02 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  Ehrman also has a similar book specifically on the New Testament. You might find more about the gospel of John in that book than in the one that covers the whole Bible. There is also the good old Skeptics Annotated Bible, which is online, so you can consult it for free. That is definitely an atheist perspective.

The Ehrman book is The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings.

https://www.google.com/url?url=https://g...5rRQlXnczA

I'm going to check that one out myself Thumbsup I think getting both of these books together would be a great idea. The book I mentioned summarizes in good detail the OT and NT. The historical background on the OT is really helpful because it acts as a primer for the NT.

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14-10-2016, 01:34 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
(14-10-2016 01:11 PM)jennybee Wrote:  
(14-10-2016 01:02 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  Ehrman also has a similar book specifically on the New Testament. You might find more about the gospel of John in that book than in the one that covers the whole Bible. There is also the good old Skeptics Annotated Bible, which is online, so you can consult it for free. That is definitely an atheist perspective.

The Ehrman book is The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings.

https://www.google.com/url?url=https://g...5rRQlXnczA

I'm going to check that one out myself Thumbsup I think getting both of these books together would be a great idea. The book I mentioned summarizes in good detail the OT and NT. The historical background on the OT is really helpful because it acts as a primer for the NT.

I have both, and they're both great books. I see that the New Testament one is now up to the 6th edition. Mine might be one of the earlier editions. For the last few years, I've been grabbing every new Ehrman book as soon as it comes out.
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14-10-2016, 02:26 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned the Skeptic's Annotated Bible yet. Here ya go.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
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14-10-2016, 02:39 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
I would read also the latest Ehrman book, "How Jesus Became a god, The Exaltation of a Jewish Preacher form Galilee" ... then read (after you understand the Jewish notion of "exaltation"), "The Trouble with Resurrection" (Dr. Bernard B. Scott) where he shows how "exaltation" got mistranslated / misunderstood as "resurrection*.

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01-12-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
I've come to the conclusion that the NT is a work of Epicurean-influenced Greco-Roman Hellenistic scribes in Alexandria. In a sense, Epicureans were atheists and secularists but had a philosophy which focused on friendship and avoidance of obsession with wealth. Epicureanism is essentially the same as modernism. The underlying ethos of the West is Epicureanism and we owe this to the influence of Christianity which is a sort of Trojan horse, a fictionalised account of somebody with an Epicurean theme running through it.
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01-12-2016, 01:35 PM
RE: atheist study of gospel of John?
(01-12-2016 01:19 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  ...
In a sense, Epicureans were atheists and secularists but had a philosophy which focused on friendship and avoidance of obsession with wealth.
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Regarding the "friendship and avoidance of obsession with wealth" reference, I've been an Epicurean since I first read about it when I was 10. Minus the friendship part.

I even follow an earmufftic version of the Epicurean diet.

Its supposed to be wine, bread and olive oil (and occasionally cheese) ... but I don't like wine ... and bread and cheese don't like me.

So it's just olive oil + chocolate milk and pepsi light.

It would be pepsi max but that's illegal here.

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What does that have to do with the Gospel of John?

Huh

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