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06-02-2017, 07:10 PM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2017 07:21 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: bible Prophecy
(06-02-2017 11:41 AM)sneroul the thinker Wrote:  I have always noticed that the christian religion seems far away from what the old testament teaches. the snake in gennesis for example is clearly an animal and is punished by crawling on the ground i do wonder how it moved before that. tales of talking animals are extremely common in all cultures. I live in Africa tales like the one in gennesis is very common among the native folk.

An astute insight.

If you take a bit of time to study what we know about Sumerian, Egyptian, and other Ancient Near East mythology systems, you'll see why there's a talking snake in the story. You're quite right that it's common... but in most ANE religions/versions it simply is a benign or neutral figure, not an evil one, and often is a bringer of actual wisdom.

When you realize that most of Genesis was edited and compiled from a collection of older tales during the time the Jews spent in captivity in Babylon, it should be pretty obvious why the talking snake and bringer-of-knowledge is now an evil and cursed symbolic figure: they were trying to form a cohesive identity for the displaced Jews in captivity so they did not assimilate into Babylonian culture. They shared the same basic set of mythological roots--Judaism shows influences from several of their neighboring groups/religions, which is unsurprising given that they sit astride a major crossroads in the region between several major empires/cultures--but needed to distinguish themselves from it.

Edit to Add: It should be noted that the Documentary Hypothesis, to which I alluded above, is not without its flaws and critics. However, virtually every scholar agrees that it was assembled around the time of the Exile, and that it is composed of various traditions that were unified for some purpose, during that time. You can read more about the why and how of the "assembling of Genesis" on Wikipedia (not always reliable but in this case a pretty decent coverage of the issue).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis

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06-02-2017, 07:35 PM
RE: bible Prophecy
(06-02-2017 11:41 AM)sneroul the thinker Wrote:  I have always noticed that the christian religion seems far away from what the old testament teaches. the snake in gennesis for example is clearly an animal and is punished by crawling on the ground i do wonder how it moved before that. t

It was a serpent. God punished it by making it a snake.

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06-02-2017, 07:54 PM
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What you need is a video on punctuation.
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06-02-2017, 09:08 PM
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I don't know much about Hope Media. But I do know that prophecies in a book which are said to have been fulfilled in later added on stories is self fulfilling nonsense. Do Christians think the gospel writers didn't go through the Old Testament and look for prophecies to shoehorn Jesus into the messiah role? Do Christians think the gospel writers were writing without any knowledge of previous messiah prophecies?

Perhaps if the gospel writer had lived on the other side of the world, had never heard of the Old Testament but wrote about a messiah that completely fit the Old Testament stories and word for word quoted from it , now that would be amazing and prophetic. But as it is, it's just writing a self fulfilling story looking backwards through an old story book. Kinda dumb.

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06-02-2017, 09:28 PM
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So what did Jews think the messiah would do?

http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

Quote:the mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5).

He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1).

He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18).

He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).

Taking these in order we can see that jesus.... like a piss-poor batter...went 0 for 4.

Worse, while he failed totally for #'s 1 & 2.

#3 is most curious as the temple already existed ( re-built by Herod ) when the supposed godboy was allegedly wandering around loose, and,

#4 is absurd as "jesus" was dragged before that very same religious court who supposedly were so inept that they had to appeal to Pilate.

Nonetheless, if jesus ever existed he was a total fuckup. No wonder the Jews wanted nothing to do with him.

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06-02-2017, 09:33 PM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2017 10:24 PM by jennybee.)
RE: bible Prophecy
The Bible is a huge collection of literature. There are several types of "prophecies" you can find in the Bible:

1) Events that occurred after the fact and then were written in later.

2) Events that happen naturally just due to the expansive nature of the book. You are bound to have some hits, some misses with a book as large as the Bible. It would be like writing down a 100 things you can think of happening at some point in the future. It would not be surprising that some of them would come true just due to sheer probability.

3) Mathematical prophecies or "codes" that people in our time think they have found to be the code of God hidden within the pages. It's a farce. They basically take passages out of context and go through and add, subtract, multiply, at will to come up with dates and hidden meanings.

4) Christians twisting "prophecies" in the Old Testament for Jesus. They take prophecies completely and entirely out of context to make Jesus fit.

5) People in our time taking biblical passages out of their correct historical context and trying to line them up with current world events.

Christians love their prophecies Wink But once you unpack them, there's really not much there. Tongue

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