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03-11-2014, 06:46 AM
RE: can someone elaborate to a learning atheist about the old beliefs of christians
"God created" is not a theory, not in the scientific sense at least and not certainly comparable to Big Bang or String theories. It is, at best, an hypothesis.

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03-11-2014, 09:03 AM
RE: can someone elaborate to a learning atheist about the old beliefs of christians
(03-11-2014 05:32 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 01:17 PM)Chas Wrote:  But you said "which is a literal take on the Hebrew wording used." If you are not referencing the Hebrew, how can you assert this?

Or are you, as Bucky points out, a lying simpleton?

Take me up on the debate and we will find out who the simpleton is wont we? Smile

I have already argued with you in other threads and you have demonstrated that you are too rigid and ignorant to have a useful debate with.
You don't listen, you don't look at evidence provided, and you don't seem able to understand simple logic or simple English sentences.

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03-11-2014, 09:39 AM
RE: can someone elaborate to a learning atheist about the old beliefs of christians
(03-11-2014 05:34 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  blah blah blah... just another bag of air trying to hide with ad hom the fact he is intellectually unarmed
Hardly, but arguing with excrement such as yourself is not worth anyone's time.

Quote: and isn't up to the debate.
Debate? With you? Impossible. You're a retard. One does not debate idiots.

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Y u no fuck off then?

Quote:I'll take the theory "God Created"
You take big bang and string
1 on 1
Nah, you sweetly go fuck yourself Smile Ain't nobody gonna waste their time educating a cretin.

Quote:Come back when you've grown some balls
Rolleyes Because it takes *courage* to debate you?

Happy lil' conceited Christian ain'tcha? Pretty sure Jesus woulda kicked your sorry ass. At any rate, he can't be super happy to have you representing him in all his love and glory Smile

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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03-11-2014, 04:22 PM
RE: can someone elaborate to a learning atheist about the old beliefs of christians
(01-11-2014 05:42 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(22-09-2014 07:08 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  I used to post at wrothychristianforums before I joined here. I ran into two very fervent geocentrists, there. There was a thread started by one of them called something like "six things science continually gets wrong". I figured it'd be fun and gave it a read.

One of the earlier entries was gravity. My first thought was "WTF? I thought everyone but the roadrunner understood gravity.". The author then went into some quantum woo that was way beyond what I understood, so I stopped caring and moved on.

A later entry was heliocentrism. He gave Tycho Brahe's alternate cosmology, which has the earth at the center, with the sun rotating around it, and the planets rotating around the sun. This technically does solve the whole phases-of-Venus problem of traditional geocentrism, but still, I thought "That's stupid. That wouldn't work because of gravit... Ohhh! That's why they don't believe in gravity!". They had to attack gravity to be able to prop up geocentrism.

And that thread, is a great illustration of why it's stupid to assume the Bible is accurate first and then try to shoehorn it into the rest of reality. It reminds me of an entire page of sciences listed on RationalWiki that you have to ignore to be able to believe in a young earth.


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I'm an odd kind of fundy. Im not at all what one would consider a fundy except for a few points, and I don't get along with many pop church fundies as I call them. But I am a believer. I have studied with messianic jews and orthodox jews for decades, and with some very well known names too in church circles. Iv spent the last 20 years or so confronting them about a lot of issues I wont even go into.

Iv also studied the history of the church, jewish history, and the history of the manuscripts, which is EXTREMELY interesting in the fact there have been deliberate attempts to corrupt the original material that goes back 1600 years or more.

I say all that just to say, the bible doesn't discredit itself. People who read into it their own interpretations discredit it, and THAT is so widespread I really do understand all the harsh criticism.

Sometime I would love to show my take on Genesis 1... which is a literal take on the Hebrew wording used. When I began kinda meditating on the Hebrew words in Genesis 1, I developed a theory that fell right into place. I later learned that my theory was actually a doctrine that I could trace back over 2000 years, and the implication was that it goes back much further. So my understanding is a very old one, which differs significantly with what is popularly taught in church today.

We can talk about it some time if you like.

I see that you do know how to spell "I'm" correctly. Bravo! How come you still haven't figured out "I've"? Same principle for both, you know.
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07-11-2014, 01:50 PM
RE: can someone elaborate to a learning atheist about the old beliefs of christians
(03-11-2014 06:46 AM)The Polyglot Atheist Wrote:  "God created" is not a theory, not in the scientific sense at least and not certainly comparable to Big Bang or String theories. It is, at best, an hypothesis.

This is the exact problem. It seems that theists have forgotten (or are willfully ignoring) the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. Creation (at best) is a hypothesis. It is an unsupported conjecture. Although there may be ideas on how this could (theoretically) be proven, there is no supporting evidence to the claim.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a fact--we see it in the world around us all the time. It can be demonstrated and reproduced in labs.

The theory of evolution--since theists are always so interested in throwing out that evolution is 'only a theory'--refers to the mechanism behind evolution. This is the theory that evolution is responsible for the diversity in life as we know it. We cannot demonstrate this directly in labs because we do not have access to--and are not able to reproduce--all of history. However, as a theory, evolution is well supported by evidence available in every field of science.

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26-11-2014, 01:09 PM
RE: can someone elaborate to a learning atheist about the old beliefs of christians
(15-09-2014 02:27 PM)Ruby Wrote:  did the bible and christians of old believe the stars, sun, moon revolved around the center of the universe, earth, Geocentrism? and Galileo thought otherwise and was punished under Spanish Inquisition which was a legal system to punish influential ppl who thought otherwise. please detail.

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The common 'science' of that day (3-4,000 years ago) was that 4 huge elephant like animals had the Earth on their backs and there was a gradual slow movement forward around the Solar System . I don't know what Old Testament Godly Men believed about this ; one thing that IS for sure is that they knew the Creation about them and above them was purposely created by God aka as a very personal intelligent Theistic Creator the same that everyone on Earth today can deduce that fact (thereby rendering the manmade term 'Atheist' nullified) . The Bible speaks of atheism as an excuse for not wanting to FOLLOW God and his loving protective moral mandates for living as detailed in Romans 1:18-24 ., and elsewhere.

Im sure the Old Testament people of God were awestruck about the Cosmos the same that logical well reasoned unbiased People today are ... even the likes of agnostic /atheist Cosmologists are toward the magnificence and splendor and engineering of our Cosmos to be the precise way it is so Human Life could flourish and continue to do so day after day .

Few people understand that there are many scientific facts and processes written down in the Old Testament which modern science has confirmed as absolutely true . That speaks quite well of the Bible since back in that time, secular science said something completely different. You can do a google for these specific science facts listed in the O.T. of the Bible which had to be imparted to their knowledge from none other than the Creator himself.
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26-11-2014, 02:36 PM
RE: can someone elaborate to a learning atheist about the old beliefs of christians
You guys don't think that Humble Dave could be that prat from ages ago who went by the moniker TheTheist?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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