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02-11-2014, 03:26 AM
RE: car advice
This conversation brings up an interesting point.

I suppose the use of the car makes a difference.

This is a 2013 Ford Edge I plan to be driving for a long, long time. It's a 4 wheel drive.

There is a short stretch of bumpy dirt and gravel I drive slowly (hence the 4 wheel drive, this is not cleared of snow). Other than that it's all country roads, no potholes, well kept roads, freeway and minimal city driving. No looking for parking, easy driving. The occasional but regular heavy breaking for wildlife (mostly deer).

Periodically I haul heavy loads in it. It is just barely big enough for it.

So, the brakes don't get used much, no street lights, no traffic, but when they are used it is usually to a full stop from high speed.

The other question I have is whether it is really that advantageous to synch my cell. So far I see no reason to do so, but there I am driving a high tech car without using any of the features except for the back up alarm - love that.

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02-11-2014, 07:32 AM
RE: car advice
(02-11-2014 03:26 AM)Dom Wrote:  This conversation brings up an interesting point.

I suppose the use of the car makes a difference.

This is a 2013 Ford Edge I plan to be driving for a long, long time. It's a 4 wheel drive.

There is a short stretch of bumpy dirt and gravel I drive slowly (hence the 4 wheel drive, this is not cleared of snow). Other than that it's all country roads, no potholes, well kept roads, freeway and minimal city driving. No looking for parking, easy driving. The occasional but regular heavy breaking for wildlife (mostly deer).

Periodically I haul heavy loads in it. It is just barely big enough for it.

So, the brakes don't get used much, no street lights, no traffic, but when they are used it is usually to a full stop from high speed.

The other question I have is whether it is really that advantageous to synch my cell. So far I see no reason to do so, but there I am driving a high tech car without using any of the features except for the back up alarm - love that.

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02-11-2014, 07:39 AM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2014 07:47 AM by Cathym112.)
RE: car advice
(01-11-2014 11:55 PM)Logisch Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 06:23 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Dom is not racing her car. She's not taking it to the track, or dynoing her car to see how much horsepower she has at the rear wheels.

My comment even said I wasn't saying everyone needed to go buy a set of "Yellowstuff" pads for their car, my point is that you are better off getting pads that are intended to stop the best you can for your money, even at the sacrifice of your rotors, than getting really soft crappy pads that don't stop as well. Not all soft compounds are terrible, but overall, most of the cheap organic pads aren't intended for anything aside from "bang for buck." If you have brands that you prefer that are inexpensive and have good quality material then post them so Dom can refer to those. I've used Mintex a few times, and Textar seems to be okay. And yes... your brakes will still stop without a pad, but that results in some... uhhhh... pretty ugly and terrifying damage.

(random google image, but this is what happens when people let them go for too long metal to metal lol) - "I've got a weird grinding noise....." - makes me cringe whenever I see photos of rotors that people let go that long... and these people share the roads with us, ugh. Happens more often than I'd like to hear about.
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I've had cheap pads glaze from extremely hard braking and had several instances where I wish I had gone for better pads for that very reason. I didn't mention "lifetime pads", I mentioned quality pads. I don't really care about warranties, I care about quality, and warranty doesn't always mean quality (which I think was your point, which I can agree with).

Rotors are a wear item. They are made to be a wear item. I'm fully aware that Dom isn't out to go run the 24 hours of Le Mans (although maybe we could chip in and do a TTA 24 hours of LeMons car eh?), my point stands that you should get good material and good quality pads. I don't understand why you're so against replacing them aside from cost.

I've seen cheap shitty pads that have separated from the backing plate and I've seen terrible quality pads break apart. While it's not a common occurrence, still, when I hit my brakes and I NEED them, I want to use my brakes with confidence. I understand you're making the point of mitigating wear to expensive wear parts of the car, I get that, and longterm that helps people save a little money.

Yes, rotors are expensive to replace (compared to pads), but unless you're running track quality pads, you're not going to be replacing your rotors all the time. Most the time if you have plenty of life left on the rotor (enough material left) you can have them turned (and should anyway if you're putting on new pads), slap new pads on it, and off you go.

Girlyman is also correct that rotors aren't generally super expensive. Usually around $50 a rotor, unless you're driving something like a benz or 911 and they're closer to $100 a pop. That sucks, but it is what it is. Small price to pay for a wear item that generally will last you several sets of pads. With a good set of pads, you can usually squeeze 2-3 sets of decent pads on a rotor before it's time to replace them. For most people that's a hell of a long time, and most people don't even keep their cars that long.

Meh. I guess I'm just remembering the obscene amount of money I poured into my Audi. I had moved away from home for college and didn't have my tools or garage anymore so I sold the camero. I went to school in buffalo and then Ithaca where a car with 583 at the rear wheels would get me no where. So I got an Audi with all wheel drive. Rotors $100 a piece! And I replaced them twice in 5 years. My brake pads were too hard and wore down my rotors so badly they couldn't be turned. So over engineered that even if I went home to work on the car - I would be lost with all the sensors.

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02-11-2014, 08:25 AM
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Also check out a forum like this for your make model. I have found loads of helpful info on the Honda Ody forums.


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02-11-2014, 09:30 AM
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(02-11-2014 03:26 AM)Dom Wrote:  This conversation brings up an interesting point.

I suppose the use of the car makes a difference.

This is a 2013 Ford Edge I plan to be driving for a long, long time. It's a 4 wheel drive.

There is a short stretch of bumpy dirt and gravel I drive slowly (hence the 4 wheel drive, this is not cleared of snow). Other than that it's all country roads, no potholes, well kept roads, freeway and minimal city driving. No looking for parking, easy driving. The occasional but regular heavy breaking for wildlife (mostly deer).

Periodically I haul heavy loads in it. It is just barely big enough for it.

So, the brakes don't get used much, no street lights, no traffic, but when they are used it is usually to a full stop from high speed.

The other question I have is whether it is really that advantageous to synch my cell. So far I see no reason to do so, but there I am driving a high tech car without using any of the features except for the back up alarm - love that.

Do you mean using it as far as bluetooth and things like that? I'm not quite sure what you mean by synching it? It is nice to be able to go hands free and talk through the stereo system (and a lot of cars support that now), but I try not to do that kind of stuff since I don't like distractions. However, that's far better than gabbing on the phone itself. I always thought it would be really nice to be able to synchronize my phone with the GPS or something and allow it to transfer my maps so I could export trips to google maps. My phone lets me do that stuff, but not with cars. I usually just turn the app on and then save the file to my computer when I get home.

What kind of features does it allow with that?

Getting into all the new hightech features that you can use with your cell phone is not something I actively keep up on, I'm good with technical stuff, but get me into the new fancy dashes and all the bells and whistles that the new cars offer and I'm a cave man. I drive cars that are as old as or older than myself Laughat

(02-11-2014 07:39 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Meh. I guess I'm just remembering the obscene amount of money I poured into my Audi. I had moved away from home for college and didn't have my tools or garage anymore so I sold the camero. I went to school in buffalo and then Ithaca where a car with 583 at the rear wheels would get me no where. So I got an Audi with all wheel drive. Rotors $100 a piece! And I replaced them twice in 5 years. My brake pads were too hard and wore down my rotors so badly they couldn't be turned. So over engineered that even if I went home to work on the car - I would be lost with all the sensors.

Thank you for the much more light hearted response, Cathym112. I've always enjoyed our interactions on the forum and none of my posts prior were intended to rile you up or be a dick to you. I'm just a stickler for the borderline between well performing setups and cost. I was legitimately thinking last night as I went to bed, "Is a conversation about brakes on an atheist forum seriously going to be the conversation where we end up harboring resentment towards one another? That is seriously going to bum me the fuck out." Laughat

I completely feel your pain with the cost of premium brand name (factory) rotors. When I did the brakes on my 911 before I sold it I ended up doing all 4 rotors, new pads and replaced the lines and opted to go with braided SS lines. The entire cost was pretty close to $600 when I was done (and that's replacing it myself, I don't want to know what it would cost at a dealer).

It's becoming common that many of the high performance cars are putting more and more aggressive pads on them from the factory because everyone wants to outdo the other guy, so each year the cars end up with more power, and stopping distance becomes a thing as well. You probably won't see that with econobox cars, but stuff like Audi, Porsche, Benz, etc... But it does mean less life out of your rotors, and yeah, it does suck replacing that stuff when it's $100 a rotor or more.

When my friend bought his GTR used (I don't recall how many miles he already had on it), he decided he wanted to do track days with it, went for a few HPDE days with an instructor, took it to autocross a few times, drove it for a while and then it came time to do his rotors and brakes. He told me when it was all said and done, with new drilled/slotted rotors and performance pads for his car, the bill was $4,000. I nearly shit my pants. I'm not sure what sort of unobtanium they make those out of, but hoooooolyyyyy shit. The rotors for my current restoration are close to $300 each. Doesn't make me happy, but it is what it is.

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02-11-2014, 10:02 AM
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(02-11-2014 09:30 AM)Logisch Wrote:  Do you mean using it as far as bluetooth and things like that? I'm not quite sure what you mean by synching it? It is nice to be able to go hands free and talk through the stereo system (and a lot of cars support that now), but I try not to do that kind of stuff since I don't like distractions. However, that's far better than gabbing on the phone itself. I always thought it would be really nice to be able to synchronize my phone with the GPS or something and allow it to transfer my maps so I could export trips to google maps. My phone lets me do that stuff, but not with cars. I usually just turn the app on and then save the file to my computer when I get home.

What kind of features does it allow with that?

Getting into all the new hightech features that you can use with your cell phone is not something I actively keep up on, I'm good with technical stuff, but get me into the new fancy dashes and all the bells and whistles that the new cars offer and I'm a cave man. I drive cars that are as old as or older than myself Laughat

Well, yeah, it does the hands free talking stuff, and dials for you too.

You can also ask it for a vehicle health report.

It is possible to synch the navigation and save it to your phone in some models (not sure if mine is one), you can tell it the full address of where you want to go and then it gives you choices, the fastest, shortest or cheapest way to go, all kinds of traffic reports for the area and whatnot.

It automatically calls 911 if you have an accident, you can ask it about traffic, directions and business searches (like where is the closest pizza place), and other "information favorites (whatever that means).

If you have music on your phone, you can play that.

It has a shitload of other computerized functions, but these are the ones that use your phone.

You can do all that using voice or a touch screen on your steering wheel.

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02-11-2014, 10:05 AM
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(02-11-2014 10:02 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 09:30 AM)Logisch Wrote:  Do you mean using it as far as bluetooth and things like that? I'm not quite sure what you mean by synching it? It is nice to be able to go hands free and talk through the stereo system (and a lot of cars support that now), but I try not to do that kind of stuff since I don't like distractions. However, that's far better than gabbing on the phone itself. I always thought it would be really nice to be able to synchronize my phone with the GPS or something and allow it to transfer my maps so I could export trips to google maps. My phone lets me do that stuff, but not with cars. I usually just turn the app on and then save the file to my computer when I get home.

What kind of features does it allow with that?

Getting into all the new hightech features that you can use with your cell phone is not something I actively keep up on, I'm good with technical stuff, but get me into the new fancy dashes and all the bells and whistles that the new cars offer and I'm a cave man. I drive cars that are as old as or older than myself Laughat

Well, yeah, it does the hands free talking stuff, and dials for you too.

You can also ask it for a vehicle health report.

It is possible to synch the navigation and save it to your phone in some models (not sure if mine is one), you can tell it the full address of where you want to go and then it gives you choices, the fastest, shortest or cheapest way to go, all kinds of traffic reports for the area and whatnot.

It automatically calls 911 if you have an accident, you can ask it about traffic, directions and business searches (like where is the closest pizza place), and other "information favorites (whatever that means).

If you have music on your phone, you can play that.

It has a shitload of other computerized functions, but these are the ones that use your phone.

You can do all that using voice or a touch screen on your steering wheel.

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02-11-2014, 10:08 AM
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(02-11-2014 10:02 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 09:30 AM)Logisch Wrote:  Do you mean using it as far as bluetooth and things like that? I'm not quite sure what you mean by synching it? It is nice to be able to go hands free and talk through the stereo system (and a lot of cars support that now), but I try not to do that kind of stuff since I don't like distractions. However, that's far better than gabbing on the phone itself. I always thought it would be really nice to be able to synchronize my phone with the GPS or something and allow it to transfer my maps so I could export trips to google maps. My phone lets me do that stuff, but not with cars. I usually just turn the app on and then save the file to my computer when I get home.

What kind of features does it allow with that?

Getting into all the new hightech features that you can use with your cell phone is not something I actively keep up on, I'm good with technical stuff, but get me into the new fancy dashes and all the bells and whistles that the new cars offer and I'm a cave man. I drive cars that are as old as or older than myself Laughat

Well, yeah, it does the hands free talking stuff, and dials for you too.

You can also ask it for a vehicle health report.

It is possible to synch the navigation and save it to your phone in some models (not sure if mine is one), you can tell it the full address of where you want to go and then it gives you choices, the fastest, shortest or cheapest way to go, all kinds of traffic reports for the area and whatnot.

It automatically calls 911 if you have an accident, you can ask it about traffic, directions and business searches (like where is the closest pizza place), and other "information favorites (whatever that means).

If you have music on your phone, you can play that.

It has a shitload of other computerized functions, but these are the ones that use your phone.

You can do all that using voice or a touch screen on your steering wheel.

But can it lower your mortgage rates with those features?

Seriously though that is some awesome stuff.

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02-11-2014, 10:20 AM
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(02-11-2014 10:08 AM)Logisch Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 10:02 AM)Dom Wrote:  Well, yeah, it does the hands free talking stuff, and dials for you too.

You can also ask it for a vehicle health report.

It is possible to synch the navigation and save it to your phone in some models (not sure if mine is one), you can tell it the full address of where you want to go and then it gives you choices, the fastest, shortest or cheapest way to go, all kinds of traffic reports for the area and whatnot.

It automatically calls 911 if you have an accident, you can ask it about traffic, directions and business searches (like where is the closest pizza place), and other "information favorites (whatever that means).

If you have music on your phone, you can play that.

It has a shitload of other computerized functions, but these are the ones that use your phone.

You can do all that using voice or a touch screen on your steering wheel.

But can it lower your mortgage rates with those features?

Seriously though that is some awesome stuff.

You can also choose a bunch of stuff from the internal computer, like auto lights (on, off, dimming etc) auto window wipers that sense the strength of the rain, backup alert (love this for parking) and I don't know what all, I haven't explored it all yet.

The thing is that, if you are synched, it is kinda public where you are at any given time. And it is always possible to locate you asap - I guess that's useful if you drive over a cliff. Tongue

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02-11-2014, 10:27 AM
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(02-11-2014 10:20 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(02-11-2014 10:08 AM)Logisch Wrote:  But can it lower your mortgage rates with those features?

Seriously though that is some awesome stuff.

You can also choose a bunch of stuff from the internal computer, like auto lights (on, off, dimming etc) auto window wipers that sense the strength of the rain, backup alert (love this for parking) and I don't know what all, I haven't explored it all yet.

The thing is that, if you are synched, it is kinda public where you are at any given time. And it is always possible to locate you asap - I guess that's useful if you drive over a cliff. Tongue

That is some pretty awesome stuff, not gonna lie. The new creature comforts and bells and whistles that are on cars nowadays really blows my mind. Although with all those micro controllers and little ECUs I would not want to chase down wiring gremlins if things went wrong. Still, that's really cool.

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