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22-04-2017, 08:07 PM (This post was last modified: 22-04-2017 08:10 PM by cactus.)
RE: christian hypocrisy
(22-04-2017 06:59 PM)Loom Wrote:  What gets me the most is the sheer areogance behind their dogma, and their 'humility' complex. "I am made in the image of the creator of all of existence, and I'm so important to it that it died *cough* had a bad weekend *cough* -just- for me, so now I'm immortal. Oh, oh but 'I' don't deserve it."

During the time that I spent in a Christian church, the double standard that was "humility" always rubbed me the wrong way. When we sat together in our small groups, the youth leader asked us to share how we were "struggling" to be better Christians. The people with the most extreme responses, like coming out as gay or being "addicted" to porn, were met with the most love and praise for being so "brave." I got the impression that a lot of these people thrived on the validation they got from "failing" in front of their peers, because they were conditioned to see weakness as a virtue. The Christians who were the most "steadfast in their faith" or whatever were expected to be role models and to comfort the people who were struggling the hardest.

For a shy and relatively aloof person like myself, it was like I was being heavily incentivized to just find any kind of trivial shit that I could to tell my peers, so I'd seem like a more "legitimate" Christian to them, and they'd accept me into their group. Like "Oh, umm, I forgot to umm, pray this morning *cough* every morning *cough*". At a summer camp my youth leader found me reading alone in the dorm, and he straight up told me that he thought I was hiding something from him, because I hadn't offered any prayer requests during ̶e̶m̶o̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶i̶p̶u̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ campfire time, I didn't sing along with their worship songs, and I hadn't cried in front of him yet like the other kids apparently had. So I was like "Uhhhh, yeah, I'm fine dude, really." Like what, did he expect me to put on some kind of show for him, just so he could feel like he hadn't failed as a camp counselor? ("oh excuse me, let me just pull out a damn bottle of fake tears, so I can meet your arbitrary threshold for 'sincerity'") fat chance Rolleyes

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22-04-2017, 08:15 PM
RE: christian hypocrisy
hypocrites is a trait that every group has so it can't be something used to "disprove" that groups basic stance.
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22-04-2017, 08:50 PM
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(22-04-2017 07:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I'll be the first to admit that I'm a hypocrite. Not humble-bragging either, it sucks to be one. But seriously, the hypocrisy is often draining on a lot of positions by some of my fellow Christians. A few examples:

So, what are you saying? That you're not as big a hypocrite as them? Consider

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22-04-2017, 09:04 PM
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(22-04-2017 07:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  As a theist, I absolutely Heart Julia Sweeney's "Letting Go of God".

It's a yearly tradition for me. Her description of the sexy Jesus poster gets me every time. She's quite hilarious in it (unlike in that shit movie "It's Pat". Ooh, sick burn)

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22-04-2017, 09:42 PM
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(22-04-2017 08:50 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(22-04-2017 07:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I'll be the first to admit that I'm a hypocrite. Not humble-bragging either, it sucks to be one. But seriously, the hypocrisy is often draining on a lot of positions by some of my fellow Christians. A few examples:

So, what are you saying? That you're not as big a hypocrite as them? Consider

Hardly, just on different matters for the most part.

(22-04-2017 09:04 PM)cactus Wrote:  
(22-04-2017 07:20 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  As a theist, I absolutely Heart Julia Sweeney's "Letting Go of God".

It's a yearly tradition for me. Her description of the sexy Jesus poster gets me every time. She's quite hilarious in it (unlike in that shit movie "It's Pat". Ooh, sick burn)

(Oh snap on the burn.) Have to admit laughing to that, because I know women I could see doing the exact same at the age she was at with it. Laugh out load Also the part with Revelation, "Father, I'm having real trouble with this one..." "Well Julia," sighs and repeats standard line, "It's like a poem."

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22-04-2017, 11:48 PM (This post was last modified: 23-04-2017 12:14 AM by Robvalue.)
RE: christian hypocrisy
My opinion is that anyone who is part of one of the Abrahamic religions (and probably some others too) and proclaims their text to be "the word of God which must be followed" cannot be a nice person without being a hypocrite. If they have even read their text properly, which I suspect most such people haven't, it requires endless excuses as to why they are ignoring almost the whole thing. It's these people that are the radicals. This is a very extreme and relatively new stance. How people mentally cope with this dissonance, I don't know.

Don't get me wrong, though. I'll take a nice, hypocritical religious person over a consistent, horrible, dangerous religious person anyday. The more people ignore their religions the better, in my opinion. The good bits are just common sense, and the rest is pointless or downright harmful. The whole thing is just outdated and unnecessary dogma.

If someone doesn't make such a bold claim, and just describes their book as early man trying to understand God, then they can easily be a nice person without being a hypocrite. I wish more people would take this route. The claim itself is a harmful myth to propagate, considering the nature of the texts. Take away the extreme unwritten mental editing that the nice people perform, and you're left with basically a murder and torture manual, with the instruction to follow it to the letter. If you tell people to follow it as "the word of god", don't complain when they do.

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23-04-2017, 01:21 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(22-04-2017 05:34 PM)cactus Wrote:  So what if I do just want to keep on sinning? Sin is great Smile

sin, a label given to perfectly normal human actions to denounce said actions for no other reason than because someones imaginary friend doesn't like it

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23-04-2017, 05:09 AM
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(22-04-2017 07:15 PM)mordant Wrote:  As a former evangelical I can tell you that while much of what you're saying is logically true, most of us nevertheless carried a pretty heavy burden of inadequacy, guilt, and the constant fear of displeasing our cranky sky daddy. You're forgetting that the ideology breeds at least as much, if not more, of inferiority, unworthiness, and self-loathing as it does smarmy arrogance. For every believer who considers eternal security a get-out-of-jail-free pass, there are several who feel unworthy of it. Not to mention, there are the holiness types who very much DON'T believe that you can't lose your salvation.

Hypocrisy, browbeating other people, and self-loathing are all symptoms of embracing impossible-to-meet standards.
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23-04-2017, 05:14 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(22-04-2017 08:07 PM)cactus Wrote:  During the time that I spent in a Christian church, the double standard that was "humility" always rubbed me the wrong way. When we sat together in our small groups, the youth leader asked us to share how we were "struggling" to be better Christians.

You could have said you were struggling to see their variety of debased humility as a good thing.

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23-04-2017, 09:55 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
Well I do live in the South, so that's one reason, but some of the most racist things I've ever heard came from the mouths of Christians, usually AT church.

I heard a woman tell her 6 year old son who said he was going to marry his friend who happened to be black that "No, that's not how God likes things, little white boys don't marry little black girls". Days after Katrina I heard people making fun of the mostly black victims for being "too stupid to leave" and that "they were getting what they deserved for their lifestyles". I even heard people arguing against supporting an African preacher because they said he was taking the money we sent and "living like a king", even after other members who had gone and lived with him a while personally told them how poverty stricken the entire area was. All this after sermons about how God loves everyone equally and blah blah blah blah.
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