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23-04-2017, 10:08 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(23-04-2017 09:55 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  Days after Katrina I heard people making fun of the mostly black victims for being "too stupid to leave" and that "they were getting what they deserved for their lifestyles".

35 patients drowned at St. Ritas nursing home. I guess they were all horrible sinners. Either that, or God was looking for some new angels. So I guess I'll just pick one or the other depending on how I feel about each particular victim. Dodgy
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23-04-2017, 10:13 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(23-04-2017 10:08 AM)cactus Wrote:  
(23-04-2017 09:55 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  Days after Katrina I heard people making fun of the mostly black victims for being "too stupid to leave" and that "they were getting what they deserved for their lifestyles".

35 patients drowned at St. Ritas nursing home. I guess they were all horrible sinners. Either that, or God was looking for some new angels. So I guess I'll just pick one or the other depending on how I feel about each particular victim. Dodgy
Ignorance works in mysterious ways.

Oh you know....that was just part of god's plan. I mean he planned for those senior citizens to drown because.....well I guess he's an asshole.
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23-04-2017, 10:25 AM
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I love telling them that the holy spirit was a paedophile rapist, seriously you wouldn't believe the apoplexy they dissolve into when that comes out, all sorts of hellfire and damnation threats which are totally useless on me. I'm like bring it on bitches Big Grin
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23-04-2017, 10:54 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(23-04-2017 10:13 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  
(23-04-2017 10:08 AM)cactus Wrote:  35 patients drowned at St. Ritas nursing home. I guess they were all horrible sinners. Either that, or God was looking for some new angels. So I guess I'll just pick one or the other depending on how I feel about each particular victim. Dodgy
Ignorance works in mysterious ways.

Oh you know....that was just part of god's plan. I mean he planned for those senior citizens to drown because.....well I guess he's an asshole.
God is an asshole. He's also a giant prick.Evil_monster
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23-04-2017, 10:56 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(23-04-2017 10:54 AM)kevin308 Wrote:  
(23-04-2017 10:13 AM)ResidentEvilFan Wrote:  Oh you know....that was just part of god's plan. I mean he planned for those senior citizens to drown because.....well I guess he's an asshole.
God is an asshole. He's also a giant prick.Evil_monster

You just insulted giant pricks everywhere.
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24-04-2017, 06:00 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(22-04-2017 07:15 PM)mordant Wrote:  
(22-04-2017 05:18 PM)kevin308 Wrote:  One thing that really annoys me about christians is their hypocrisy. They behave in ways that are totally contradictory to what they say they believe. When confronted about this they just "I'm forgiven". I know if I were god, I would tell them to leave me alone and that I am tired of hearing from them and their whining for forgiveness, and then seeing them continue to do the same thing over, and over again. I'm also sick of hearing, "I'm not infallible". That's just an excuse to keep on doing bad things and treating people anyway you feel like. As long as you have your convenient get out of jail free card, why would you change? And as mysterious as gods will is, somehow christians always know it in gods will to forgive them. That's why it cracks me up when christians say that Atheists just want to keep on sinning. Quite the contrary. It's Atheists that have to be accountable in the here and now for the things they do, and don't have a magical sky daddy who magically takes away all responsibility for the bad things I have done.
As a former evangelical I can tell you that while much of what you're saying is logically true, most of us nevertheless carried a pretty heavy burden of inadequacy, guilt, and the constant fear of displeasing our cranky sky daddy. You're forgetting that the ideology breeds at least as much, if not more, of inferiority, unworthiness, and self-loathing as it does smarmy arrogance. For every believer who considers eternal security a get-out-of-jail-free pass, there are several who feel unworthy of it. Not to mention, there are the holiness types who very much DON'T believe that you can't lose your salvation.

It's just that the assholes are far more visible / obnoxious / obvious. The others are all cowering behind them, trying to stay out of sight and not attract attention.

You're also forgetting that people often don't hold logically consistent positions, in or out of religion. While I believed in eternal security, I also believed god had certain claims on me / expectations of me, and while he might not send me to hell for sinning, he might not protect me or mine, either, or he might punish or test me in unpleasant ways. Those temporal consequences of my behavior were in practice far more "real" to me than the promised eternal life of endless bliss.

Also, there is a prevalent teaching that you may not be aware of, that suggests that heaven is some sort of meritocracy, that one gets more status and a better situation and more authority in heaven for good behavior on earth. The scriptural support for this is thin, but not non-existent, and many pastors flogged this quite a bit with us because they feared the "get out of jail free pass" thing you are talking about. Also, most pastors were not satisfied with our level of attendance, financial giving, and participation / volunteering and they needed to compensate for the removal of the Big Stick of eternal perdition, to try to guilt people into being more consistent.

I was told the same thing when I went to church, the scripture of reference is

John 14:2 -In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

I was curious as to how this verse is interpreted, seems like everybody has their own version of what they think this verse means:

Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary John 14:2

This type of interpretational cluster-fuck was typical, everyone has their opinion and you won't know until you are in heaven. Facepalm

That reminded me of one of those annoying things in Christianity, one verse can lead to total disagreement and knowledge of what it could mean has fairly significant implications about how you would spend eternity - but, the bible just throws something out there with no further explanation and all it did was give another thing that you could argue about within the Christian bubble, but you could NEVER resolve it.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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24-04-2017, 06:46 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(24-04-2017 06:00 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(22-04-2017 07:15 PM)mordant Wrote:  Also, there is a prevalent teaching that you may not be aware of, that suggests that heaven is some sort of meritocracy, that one gets more status and a better situation and more authority in heaven for good behavior on earth. The scriptural support for this is thin, but not non-existent, and many pastors flogged this quite a bit with us because they feared the "get out of jail free pass" thing you are talking about. Also, most pastors were not satisfied with our level of attendance, financial giving, and participation / volunteering and they needed to compensate for the removal of the Big Stick of eternal perdition, to try to guilt people into being more consistent.
I was told the same thing when I went to church, the scripture of reference is

John 14:2 -In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.

I was curious as to how this verse is interpreted, seems like everybody has their own version of what they think this verse means:

Verse-by-Verse Bible Commentary John 14:2

This type of interpretational cluster-fuck was typical, everyone has their opinion and you won't know until you are in heaven. Facepalm

That reminded me of one of those annoying things in Christianity, one verse can lead to total disagreement and knowledge of what it could mean has fairly significant implications about how you would spend eternity - but, the bible just throws something out there with no further explanation and all it did was give another thing that you could argue about within the Christian bubble, but you could NEVER resolve it.
There is nothing in that verse other than that you'll have some kind of dwelling prepared for you. "Mansion" IIRC is just an overwrought translation of "dwelling".

Holy books are always vague like this, by design. That is what makes them "timeless" -- you can use them as a loose template for whatever the current age demands of the ideology. As the link you provided shows, you can build up on this whatever you want. My guess is that reading into it that god will custom design each believer's afterlife responsibilities and status probably presupposes teachings already derived from elsewhere, or from nowhere in particular. Certainly, a prosperity gospel promoter will tend to believe that every believer lives like a king in a literal "mansion", a holiness preacher will go to the other extreme, others will be somewhere in the middle.

Reminds me of what a Sunday school teacher related once, a story of a southern child who asked if there would be fried chicken in heaven. The child was assured, of course, god wants you to have everything your heart desires in heaven. (Even though he doesn't want you to have whatever your heart desires on earth, of course; god help you if your heart desires some form of sex other than married missionary-position heterosexual sex, or to get out of a bad marriage, or to not tithe). There are endless derived teachings like this, because given that the Middle East didn't have chickens much less KFC or pressure cookers, the Bible is silent on the fried chicken issue.

Others told me, with zero evidence even from scripture, that we would be able to travel all over the universe in the afterlife, just by willing it, and explore or live on any world(s) we choose. This was in response to a question about how we would avoid being bored in heaven.

They just make it up as they go ...
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24-04-2017, 09:44 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
I think the recent election of trump has me as angry as anything. Here's a man who's been married three times, bragged about pussy grabbing, has no scruples, lies constantly, says outrageous crap that's completely insane, has pulled more millionaires and billionaires into his cabinet than any president so far, doesn't go to church, doesn't know the first thing about the bible, has a foreign wife who's posed nude and done soft lesbian porn which was published in a magazine and yet christians think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Had Obama done any one of those things, just one, if Michelle Obama had posed nude for a photo shoot, just imagine what the religious right would have done? They would have strung Obama AND his wife, figuratively and perhaps literally, up on the nearest tree and felt totally justified in doing so.

This last election REALLY made it clear to me just how hypocritical the religious right is. They are fucking, disgusting assholes and I hope they implode and wallow in their own diarrhea and vomit.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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25-04-2017, 08:32 AM
RE: christian hypocrisy
(24-04-2017 09:44 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  This last election REALLY made it clear to me just how hypocritical the religious right is. They are fucking, disgusting assholes and I hope they implode and wallow in their own diarrhea and vomit.
Yeah, whatever moral credibility they arguably once had has well and truly been flushed down the toilet. Arguably they "sold their soul for a mess of pottage" back when they allied themselves with the extreme political right and sought political power. Arguably they had SOME moral credibility when I was a youngster in the 1960s and 1970s, before they invented out of whole cloth, concepts like "life begins at conception and the Bible teaches it".

I would LIKE to think that they would have rejected someone like Trump out of hand, no matter how well he appeared to check a couple of boxes in their political wish-list. They would rather wait for a worthy champion.

I'd like to THINK that because at that time in my life I still had some respect for church leadership.

But in reality I can't say that it wasn't just as morally corrupt and hypocritical then as now, just arguably better concealed and more deniable. Even back then I encountered nutjobs like the KJV only folks and their assertion that god inspires not just original manuscripts, but translations and translators -- and advanced their scarcely-concealed white supremacist notion that the King James Version is "god's chosen translation for the English-speaking peoples".

At this point I don't have enough skin in the game to even want to sort those questions out. It doesn't matter when or how it began, or came to be this way. It IS this way and it's incredibly grotesque and unsupportable and unforgivable.
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25-04-2017, 09:10 AM
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Yeah but when you point out how bad Trump is on all that sex, they just say "BUT BILL CLINTON!!!!".....yeah remember how evil he was for all that?

Just further proof that something isn't bad unless the other side does it.
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