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30-07-2015, 09:57 PM
discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
The friends are my cousins friends not mine. But I need some help. This is getting deep. Can I get some insight please and thank you.


Friend 1 :It's nice to know someone is out there calling it like it is.

Murderers. Black and white.

YOU ARE WRONG IF YOU ARE NOT AGAINST THIS!!!!!

DEAD. WRONG.

Me: I know planned parenthood is flawed most things are however we still need a place where girls can go to get help. The flaws need to be fixed so girls will have a safe place to go for anything they might need.

Friend 1 :Girls don't need a place that they don't require parental consent. A place of lies and selfishness. Girls don't need *free birth control and *free abortions.

EVERY girl and boy should have proper sexual education. If parents were required to take parenting 101 and 201, 3001 and 4040 classes throughout their parenting careers, we would have a lot less children/ "girls" in situations that "require" places like this!!!! Parents should talk about it with their own children. Parents should provide safe home environments. Parents should live and nurture all aspects of their children's developing minds and bodies. Parents should engage with their children and participate in their social lives and encounters and limit and guide improper activities and relationships and parents should TEACH ACCOUNTABILITY when or if their first attempts at right and wrong lessons are not accepted.

Lack of proper education, Pornography, entitlement, selfishness, zero accountability, "free love", anything goes parenting and a worldly acceptance of these acts keep this disgusting place in business.

Planned Parenthood is an after the fact, government run, house of murder and human trafficking. It requires a visit before and a visit the day of. A wham bam, thank you mam one stop chop shop. Just like the one night stand that most likely brought you through the door!!!

Barf.

"PLACES" like Planned Parenthood SHOULD NOT EXIST!!! Period.

Rape or mothers health should be handled with much counseling and a personal doctor. Places that are in it for the health and well being of the woman and child who walk through their door. Places who are properly trained to love and care for the mental, emotional and physical health of the women who need their heartbreaking assistance. (Before during and a long time after such procedures!! )

And in this imperfect world, with all its immoral ways...... I don't see how anyone in government could ever be trusted to make a compassionate safe environment for the very few, very few (I reiterate) percent of women who find themselves in true need of an abortion.

Ugggh. This topic is sooooo under discussed and yet soooo accepted as the norm that it makes my blood boil!!!

*tax payer funded. I being a tax payer do not choose to allocate my funds to such a house of evil and atrocity.

Me: I get that sex ed is very important but reality is that most kids don't get the proper sex ed that needs to change too. However I doubt that will change any time soon as parents have to consent to it which is part of the problem. A lot of parents mine included refused to talk about sex or let us be in a sex ed class. So the afterwards is the best some can get. And if their parents won't let them in a sex WD class what makes you think they will let their kid have consent after fact? None what so ever which is why we need programs for the after the fact. And that is sad, another reason the flaws should be fixed to better help these kids in situations that find them needing a safe place to go. I'm speaking from experience.

Friend 1: Well planned parenthood isn't the answer.

Counseling is the answer. Accountability is the answer. Real love is the answer. Adoption is the answer. Education is the answer.

Planned parenthood is uneducated murder. It is an abomination. It is the worlds way of saying life only matters if you have a voice. It is planning for mistakes and not planning for your future. It is preparation for a broken soul and emotional scars that never heal.

I strongly disagree with your opinion.

Murder is murder no matter how you slice it. A person is a person no matter how small. Plain and Simple.

Me: I never said anything about abortion! What I said is the flaws need to be fixed! I do believe that abortion is a very very personal choice one that I couldn't do but for some and in some situations it might be best for that person. However we still need a place where people can go to get the proper care and counciling and education.
And who am I tell ANYONE that they can or can't get an abortion. My personal opinion is just that an opinion. Just like if someone chooses to get an abortion it is their opinion and their choice for whatever reason. I don't think it should be used as birth control however laws are laws and right now its not against the law to get an abortion. Laws don't trump personal opinion. But yes the flaws need to be fixed to where no one is lying the person thinking of getting one to get that abortion.

Friend 1: Gods Laws trump all laws.

All choices have consequences.

Accountability matters.

Me: I do understand what u are saying but its just not regality. There are so many that either don't believe or care about gods laws hence why we have laws of the land.

Friend 1: My reality is this.........

My Father has taught me right from wrong. So I vote according to my Fathers laws.

Not all life is black and white. But supporting a place like planned parenthood is going against my Father. Period.

When we walk away from evil, HE ALWAYS SHOWS US THE WAY.

I may not have all the answers, but I do trust in that. Therefore I support that. Live that. And teach that.

It's all I can do. That is what's black and white for me.

Me: I understand where u r coming from really I do. However that is your opinion and not everyone has the same opinion or out look on life. Which is why we need places for people to go to to get help not with just abortion but with everything sexually related. So for the people who don't share your opinion there should be a place for them to go.
And while that is ur reality its not reality for others which is my point.

Friend 1: I get that other people don't think the way I do. Obviously.

However, let's just say I decided to say that the sky was actually purple. I choose for it to be purple. Just because, it benefits me somehow to say so. It's more convenient for me to say that it's purple. And let's say somehow I can convince a whole bunch of people to start calling it purple. Lots of people now think and feel that it's better for the sky to be purple.

Whether or not I choose to believe the sky is purple or blue is my choice. But it won't change that the sky is actually blue. It's always been blue and always will be blue. It's the way God wants it. The sky is blue. Facts are facts. Gods laws are Gods laws whether his children choose to follow them or not. They aren't up for debate. That is everyone's reality whether they choose to believe it or not. It is truth.

Insert whatever commandment that people desire to break for sky. In this case Planned Parenthood and all liberals and democrats and Christians who call themselves Christians who conveniently forget that the murdering of human life and sex before marriage is wrong. They may call it okay. They may choose that path. But it doesn't make it right. It's His world. His kids. His commandments. It's wrong whether those people choose to believe it or not. Wrong is wrong.

Soooooo choose what you want. They'll choose what they want. Everyone does.

And I'll choose what I want.........I will choose to vote my morals and my conscience and NOT SUPPORT a company that murders innocent human lives. (Or as they like to say "tissue".)

Sells the precious "fetus" parts. (Therefore acknowledging that they are indeed humans.)

And gives unqualified advice and birth control to uninformed minors and adults who know better but choose not to do better!

I don't support it. You cannot convince me otherwise. You're arguments are invalid to me. And it's a slippery slope when we allow ourselves to say well, I like that they help "girls" but not the abortion part. They are in the abortion business!! They give away free "advice" and birth control under the guise of community help. They stop beating hearts in one room and pass out free contraception in another. What work of God do they do exactly?

Planned Parenthood isn't the answer! If you're not against it you're for it.

Your choice is different than mine. I choose life.

Me: Again you saying that gods laws are gods laws ARE an opinion no matter how u slice it! Religion is an opinion all religions are that is reality! You can CHOOSE to believe gods laws trump all other laws and that I'd ur choice. But to say they trump our government laws is wrong! The last time I checked no one gets arrested for cheating or having an abortion and ect. So no gods laws do not trump government laws! You don't have to support anything if u choose not too. But to argue abortion is wrong according to gods laws and that they trump government laws is wrong. I'm not arguing that is abortion is right or wrong but more that no one has the right to tell someone what they should or shouldn't do period! My point is that just because you don't like something or someone's life style doesn't mean its wrong just means that everyone has their own views in life. Just like you don't support abortion there are a lot that do. Doesn't make you or them wrong. You view abortion as murder while others don't. That is reality! I'm not trying to convenience you that abortion is right or wrong just that what is right for you isn't always right for someone else. So I'm that sense we do need places for people to go to get the best care they can!

Cousins wife: No Linda you are wrong period. Murder is wrong irregardless of whether or not you believe there is a God or not. MURDER IS WRONG! ABORTION IS MURDER PERIOD! There is absolutely NOTHING humane about it. We are humans and are to think on a higher level than animals-- it is unacceptable and NOBODY gets the right to choose to murder someone else period. I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH YOU SO DO NOT REPLY ANYMORE!

Me: That is still an opinion on abortion! Some say it's murder others don't. How is that not an opinion? Again abortion is not for me and obviously not for u but to deny its an opinion is wrong. We had a huge discussion on this the other day with lots of other people so I understand where u r coming from. But u need to break it down to what we as a society considers as wrong and right. Take murder for example some times its not murder but self defense so if murder is murder then even when someone does it in self defense its still murder. Only difference is they don't get in trouble or bullied that they murdered someone. Oh and if u r going to put stuff like this on Facebook u should be prepared to have the debate. Just sayn

Cousins wife: You should also realize that we agree on NOTHING and never will so don't bother responding

Friend 2 : Might be best for WHICH person? The pregnant person or the person inside of that person?!?!?
And for the record, unless you are living in the dark ages, there are plenty places people can go to get proper care and education other than Planned Parenthood An opinion? Killing a person is an opinion? As soon as conception occurs cells divide and it is considered a living being. So if that living being is killed/murdered, please explain how that is an opinion?
Friend 1: Murder is an opinion? Abortion is an opinion?

Again...... You can choose all those things. And think whatever you want.

But the sky is blue. Murder is wrong. Abortion is wrong. Religion is an option you have many to choose from, however Gods laws are not debatable. Newsflash...... ALL NATIONS WERE BUILT UPON THEIR GOD(s) LAWS!!!! All. Of. Them. They all started with worshipping a higher power. Call it Buddah. Call it God. Call it Allah. All nations built their laws according to their ancient beliefs from their God(s)!!! And they all consist of no murder!!!!!

With that said..........

Imagine this........ I live a life according to Gods laws. I die. If I was wrong and there is no God, I lived a life of service. Morality. Ethics. Faith. Unconditional love. Selflessness. Kindness. Sacrifice. Honor.
I lost nothing. I regret nothing. I'm dead. No afterlife. Just death. So who cares?!?!?!!!

If I live a life according to the World. No laws according to God dictate my choices...... Because the laws of the nation are above God!!!! (That's so ridiculous to even contemplate). I have lived a life of murder or supporting murders. Selfishness. Me me me. Live for the moment. Consequences don't matter. Hurt whom I choose when I choose because that's what I choose. I live a life of loneliness and heartache because those are consequences of choices that alienate others and represent only valuing myself. I serve no one. I spread lies about how faith is ridiculous and everyone should have the ability to choose whatever they want whenever they want. Fun fun fun with no accountability.
Then I die. And find out that God is indeed real and his rules did indeed matter. And I'm now accountable for all my thoughts and actions weighed against all the good and bad I chose to do or chose not to do. Oops. Now what? Regret? Remorse? Want a do over?

You can choose whatever you want lady. Let's see how it shakes out in the end. I have a good feeling you will have missed out on who you could have been. Who you were born to be. Your eternal destiny as a child of God will have been wasted on the World.

I choose differently. I choose eternal LIFE!!

Friend 2: Oh my - I haven't seen such doltishly vacuous statements in a long time. Made me chuckle at such benighted comments.

Me: Again I'm not arguing for or against abortion. That is very personal. Bit in not going to hold it against that person either. As yes its an opinion which is why the government is still debating this issue. I also need never said planned parenthood was then only place to go don't put words in my mouth. What I said is that the flaws need to be fixed!
Friend 1: What I said was Planned Parenthood is Abominable and IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM!!! And I also said if you don't stand against it then you stand for it!!! So make up your mind. Sitting on the fence isn't getting anyone anywhere!!!!! It's allowing murder and human trafficking of the most innocent kind to move forward freely with nooooooo legislation!!!

Stop trying to have the last word and READ what's being stated!!!

Friend 2: No need to put words in your mouth - with the words you used, specifically following up the comment "I know. . ." with "however" most certainly implies exactly that.

Me: I did read. U are the ones that aren't reading what I say. I am not for or against abortion. I will not debate that as I feel that is too much of a personal thing and the circumstances are always on a case by case basis. What I'm saying is that people need a place to go even under age without their parents consent as I stated before there as parents that refuse to talk about sex or anything sexual related nor will they consent to sex ed. So what makes anyone think that these same parents will consent to anything else not to mention the ones that can't go to their parents or anyone else what are they supposed to do? And yes I'm aware that planned Parenthood is not the only place however it is very well known. So yes the flaws need to be fixed for the people who need the care the most.

Friend 2 : In order to change the flaws you have to STAND UP FOR THE CHANGE!!!! Stopping the "well known" monstrosity will CHANGE THE SYSTEM!!!! #america101

Girls need NOT WALK INTO THE DISASTER THAT AWAITS THEM THROUGH THE DOORS OF THIS FACILITY.

Change happens when people make the choices for changing what's broken!!!! IT'S BROKEN. IT NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN. PERIOD.

And when you don't use your voice against what's wrong about it and call them out to change their ways............. YOU ARE SUPPORTING THIS FLAWED SYSTEM THAT YOU AGREE IS FLAWED.

SO IM RESTATING IT FOR THE LAST TIME....... If you can't get this than WOW!!!!!

If you aren't against it. Than you are for it. And you are letting innocent women and children be harmed by it. Murder is murder. You CANNOT be on both sides!!!!!!!!!!

You are a fence sitter. You are standing in warm waters because it's safe. Choose a side.
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30-07-2015, 10:03 PM
RE: discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
She deleted the whole thing lmao

I tried to respond with this

Just because I believe abortion is a case by case bases doesn't mean I'm allowing innocents to be wronged. It means its a case by case basis. I don't need to choose a side its not that black and white and if u r seeing that way u miss all the other colors and hues. I am not supporting the flaws and if u can't get that then wow. I have said too many times the flaws need to be fixed. Shessh
But it was deleted .
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30-07-2015, 10:14 PM
RE: discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
Aren't you going on a ship? This is deep water you should be aboard a cruise ship sailing above, not struggling to swim in. Well, my thoughts anyway. If I was days away from a stupendous adventure I don't think I'd be able to keep my mind anywhere else for more than 30 seconds.

I'd say wait until you're back ashore and had your feet on the ground a solid week of fond remembrance of a blissful journey before plunging back into this kind of mud.

The flat declarative stance of Friend One is impervious to reason anyway. The only change of mind possible there is via surgical transplant.

Have a wonderful voyage!!
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30-07-2015, 10:17 PM
RE: discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
(30-07-2015 10:03 PM)purpledaisies Wrote:  She deleted the whole thing lmao

I tried to respond with this

Just because I believe abortion is a case by case bases doesn't mean I'm allowing innocents to be wronged. It means its a case by case basis. I don't need to choose a side its not that black and white and if u r seeing that way u miss all the other colors and hues. I am not supporting the flaws and if u can't get that then wow. I have said too many times the flaws need to be fixed. Shessh
But it was deleted .

Well in that case, then gawd is the biggest murderer & abortionist going!

Hypocrisy!

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30-07-2015, 10:24 PM
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(30-07-2015 10:14 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  Aren't you going on a ship? This is deep water you should be aboard a cruise ship sailing above, not struggling to swim in. Well, my thoughts anyway. If I was days away from a stupendous adventure I don't think I'd be able to keep my mind anywhere else for more than 30 seconds.

I'd say wait until you're back ashore and had your feet on the ground a solid week of fond remembrance of a blissful journey before plunging back into this kind of mud.

The flat declarative stance of Friend One is impervious to reason anyway. The only change of mind possible there is via surgical transplant.

Have a wonderful voyage!!

I am did this in between researching snorkeling. Lol
However we won't leave til January so I have plenty of time. Smile
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30-07-2015, 10:25 PM
RE: discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
(30-07-2015 10:17 PM)Mrs.B Wrote:  
(30-07-2015 10:03 PM)purpledaisies Wrote:  She deleted the whole thing lmao

I tried to respond with this

Just because I believe abortion is a case by case bases doesn't mean I'm allowing innocents to be wronged. It means its a case by case basis. I don't need to choose a side its not that black and white and if u r seeing that way u miss all the other colors and hues. I am not supporting the flaws and if u can't get that then wow. I have said too many times the flaws need to be fixed. Shessh
But it was deleted .

Well in that case, then gawd is the biggest murderer & abortionist going!

Hypocrisy!


And yes you are right. I copied the whole debate so that if any family members say anything I can show them in black and white.
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30-07-2015, 10:26 PM (This post was last modified: 30-07-2015 10:35 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
Most of Planned Parenthood's services are not abortion related. They provide many preventive OBGYN services to women, in addition to family planning. many women would get no care if it weren't for PP.

We don't know until all the facts are in, whether they were actually attempting to make a profit on fetal tissue at one branch. The Red Cross charges (I think) "service fees" for blood. So charging service fees is a normal and acceptable practice in medicine. Hospitals do it all the time.

A clump of cells with no neural tube and no brain is not a person. It's a potential human person.

The vast majority of human pregnancies are spontaneously aborted, often because there's something terribly wrong with the POC (products of conception). That does make Gawd the biggest, by far, abortionist of all time as well as demonstrating yet again his piss-poor designer skills.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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30-07-2015, 10:27 PM
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Sounds like you were talking to fuckheads....which rarely gets anyone anywhere.

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30-07-2015, 10:28 PM
RE: discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
(30-07-2015 10:25 PM)purpledaisies Wrote:  
(30-07-2015 10:17 PM)Mrs.B Wrote:  
Well in that case, then gawd is the biggest murderer & abortionist going!

Hypocrisy!


And yes you are right. I copied the whole debate so that if any family members say anything I can show them in black and white.
That was a great idea!
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30-07-2015, 10:40 PM
RE: discussion about planned parenthood on Facebook need help please
(30-07-2015 10:17 PM)Mrs.B Wrote:  
(30-07-2015 10:03 PM)purpledaisies Wrote:  She deleted the whole thing lmao

I tried to respond with this

Just because I believe abortion is a case by case bases doesn't mean I'm allowing innocents to be wronged. It means its a case by case basis. I don't need to choose a side its not that black and white and if u r seeing that way u miss all the other colors and hues. I am not supporting the flaws and if u can't get that then wow. I have said too many times the flaws need to be fixed. Shessh
But it was deleted .

Well in that case, then gawd is the biggest murderer & abortionist going!

Hypocrisy!


Yes. This is kind of a pet peeve of mine. Women, through no fault of their own, have miscarriages without even knowing they were pregnant and have no knowledge that a fertilized egg was lost. Doctors say it happens more than we think. So if god has a plan, if god makes wonderful things happen like babies being born, it also seems part of his plan is to abort babies willy-nilly.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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