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15-07-2013, 06:29 AM
RE: does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(07-07-2013 08:14 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 07:02 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  Actually, there have been quite a few, that's not the point though. I responded as such because of the "boom" you added at the end, as if to suggest that we should be compelled to admit that you blew our minds with that post. You didn't.

What if the BOOM shouldn't be taken so seriously to derail a thread over it?

What if you stopped being a useless waste of space?

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15-07-2013, 07:00 AM
RE: does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(07-07-2013 03:35 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 02:48 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  So in the form of a syllogism:
1. Science is not looking for the "meaning of life"
2. Money is spent on science
Therefore
3. Scientists are turds

Science increases the capability of humans to manipulate their environment in ways that benefit humanity. Those billions of dollars of research are paid for by increased productivity and profitability. They are not a sunk cost. They are an investment. Arguing that they don't produce value because they address "is" issues rather than "ought" issues is a non sequitur.

Good job calling the guys making a difference to the future of humanity turds. Next time you cure a disease or invent a communications revolution please let me know.

Nope, what I am saying is there is a huge contradiction in science, their actions say that scientists believe in a meaning yet their conclusions say the opposite. PARADOX: If science shows that life has no meaning then so does the life of a scientist have no meaning along with whatever they say in their lifetime.

it's a contradiction to say life has no meaning and at the same time science and scientists keep assigning meanings for things.

1. If life has no meaning, science has no meaning
2. Science proves life has no meaning
Therefore
3. Science has no meaning
?

I think you're lost in the definition of terms again. What do you mean by meaning? Do you mean value? It seems like you have an equivocation fallacy trapped in there. Let's clarify it:

1. If life has no value, science has no value
2. Science proves life has no value
Therefore
3. Science has no value
Is that what you're trying to say? If so, then (2) fails to hold. In what way does science prove life has no value?

Perhaps you mean
1. If life is not infinitely valuable, science is not infinitely valuable
2. Science proves life is not infinitely valuable
Therefore
3. Science is not infinitely valuable?
Is that what you're trying to get at? If so I don't see what infinite value has to do with anything. I only need to acquire finite value in order justify my finite actions.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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15-07-2013, 09:43 AM
RE: does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(15-07-2013 06:29 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 08:14 PM)I and I Wrote:  What if the BOOM shouldn't be taken so seriously to derail a thread over it?

What if you stopped being a useless waste of space?

Boom.

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16-07-2013, 07:02 AM
RE: does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(07-07-2013 02:04 AM)I and I Wrote:  Does science give meaning to life? If one believes that life can be explained as just collections of molecules with no meaning in its assemblages then wouldn't that also go for scientists and everything else that we call "truth" "fact" ? Science today is a huge contradiction, it says that life is just a collection of molecules with no grand meaning, yet it spends billions of dollars on research. What are they looking for? What is their research going towards?

Science is so close to religion yet it is in constant denial of this closeness, they both are the excrement of humanity.

It's a good thing our ancestors felt differently. Otherwise we would be still living in caves, clubbing each other so one of us could get to rape any woman he'd want.
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17-07-2013, 02:04 PM
does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(16-07-2013 07:02 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 02:04 AM)I and I Wrote:  Does science give meaning to life? If one believes that life can be explained as just collections of molecules with no meaning in its assemblages then wouldn't that also go for scientists and everything else that we call "truth" "fact" ? Science today is a huge contradiction, it says that life is just a collection of molecules with no grand meaning, yet it spends billions of dollars on research. What are they looking for? What is their research going towards?

Science is so close to religion yet it is in constant denial of this closeness, they both are the excrement of humanity.

It's a good thing our ancestors felt differently. Otherwise we would be still living in caves, clubbing each other so one of us could get to rape any woman he'd want.

So....that's not allowed anymore?

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17-07-2013, 06:16 PM
RE: does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
So... you're not prepared to clarify your contradiction?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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17-07-2013, 10:37 PM
does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(15-07-2013 07:00 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(07-07-2013 03:35 AM)I and I Wrote:  Nope, what I am saying is there is a huge contradiction in science, their actions say that scientists believe in a meaning yet their conclusions say the opposite. PARADOX: If science shows that life has no meaning then so does the life of a scientist have no meaning along with whatever they say in their lifetime.

it's a contradiction to say life has no meaning and at the same time science and scientists keep assigning meanings for things.

1. If life has no meaning, science has no meaning
2. Science proves life has no meaning
Therefore
3. Science has no meaning
?

I think you're lost in the definition of terms again. What do you mean by meaning? Do you mean value? It seems like you have an equivocation fallacy trapped in there. Let's clarify it:

1. If life has no value, science has no value
2. Science proves life has no value
Therefore
3. Science has no value
Is that what you're trying to say? If so, then (2) fails to hold. In what way does science prove life has no value?

Perhaps you mean
1. If life is not infinitely valuable, science is not infinitely valuable
2. Science proves life is not infinitely valuable
Therefore
3. Science is not infinitely valuable?
Is that what you're trying to get at? If so I don't see what infinite value has to do with anything. I only need to acquire finite value in order justify my finite actions.

This post has nothing to do with what I have been saying.
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18-07-2013, 06:25 AM
RE: does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(17-07-2013 02:04 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(16-07-2013 07:02 AM)zaybu Wrote:  It's a good thing our ancestors felt differently. Otherwise we would be still living in caves, clubbing each other so one of us could get to rape any woman he'd want.

So....that's not allowed anymore?

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19-07-2013, 07:26 AM
RE: does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
So... I'm clearly misunderstanding what you are trying to convey. I suspect I'm not the only one. Do you think there is some way of clarifying it so that your message is clearly communicated?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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19-07-2013, 01:59 PM
does life have meaning? does science have meaning?
(19-07-2013 07:26 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  So... I'm clearly misunderstanding what you are trying to convey. I suspect I'm not the only one. Do you think there is some way of clarifying it so that your message is clearly communicated?

Clarify my statement on science?

Science is providing answers that attempt to show that life is merely a sum of smaller parts and that there is no meaning beyond this sum of smaller parts.

This is a contradiction in science. Humans look for answers to things and question things because we already feel that some meaning exists beyond what we currently know.

Science proceeds as if there is meaning, yet also concludes that meaning doesn't exist.


Contradiction.
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