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21-06-2016, 10:51 PM
RE: evil and God
The Bible says that God created evil, so there's that.

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21-06-2016, 10:52 PM
RE: evil and God
Aaaaaaaaand I should've had read all the replies.

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21-06-2016, 10:59 PM
RE: evil and God
(21-06-2016 09:01 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Interesting...how would the horrible events in the world be explained?

Shit happens.


But as if to knock me down, reality came around
And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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22-06-2016, 05:16 AM
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(21-06-2016 08:42 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Does the existence of evil negate the existence of God? Can they not coexist?

First, define evil. Are you talking human evil? Natural disasters? Disease?

Second define god.


The existence of evil would negate the existence of a benevolent deity.

The absence of any evidence is in itself, strong evidence against the existence of any deity.

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22-06-2016, 05:17 AM
RE: evil and God
(21-06-2016 09:01 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Interesting...how would the horrible events in the world be explained?

Which horrible events?

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22-06-2016, 05:28 AM
RE: evil and God
(21-06-2016 08:42 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Does the existence of evil negate the existence of God? Can they not coexist?

The god of the bible let Satan kill Job's kids for a bet. So apparently evil is an important part of his plan, god needs to prove Satan wrong, even at the expense of lives.

That nature of this biblical god reveals a god that has pride (does he send himself to hell for this sin?)

A god that is not omniscient. (tests have no purpose if you supposedly know the outcome)

A god that is not all powerful. (lack of omniscience = not all powerful)


So the existence of suffering or evil is because god needs to prove a point to something or someone.

God needs evil, he created it.

What does that say about this entity?

Even if you think the bible tells the truth, there's something very ominous about this god that it isn't telling you.

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22-06-2016, 06:44 AM
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(21-06-2016 10:06 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Can an omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent god exist in world where 'evil' exists? By the definitions of the words, no. A god which knows all and can do all, and is all good, but refuses to stop all that is bad is definitionally self contradictory.

No it isn't definitionally self-contradictory.

The claim that a perfectly Good being would not allow evil to exists, is not objectively true. Therefore can't be self-contradictory.

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"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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22-06-2016, 06:51 AM
RE: evil and God
Did God create evil or was it the misuse or deprivation of the good God created?
Who says God HAS to participate in this Reality; instead, could it be He chooses to?
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22-06-2016, 06:53 AM (This post was last modified: 22-06-2016 06:58 AM by The Polyglot Atheist.)
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 06:51 AM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Did God create evil or was it the misuse or deprivation of the good God created?
Who says God HAS to participate in this Reality; instead, could it be He chooses to?

According to the Bible, he did.

If God doesn't participate in this reality, the final result is basically the same as if he didn't exist, because in this case he couldn't influence or affect it.
If he participates in this reality, he should be detectable. But he's not. And even if he was, he would then be "natural" and not supernatural, since the reality we know is natural, and he would be "explainable", such as other concepts like love and fear are explainable.

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22-06-2016, 07:01 AM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 06:51 AM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Did God create evil

According to the bible, god created evil. Besides, if he created everything and he's in control of everything then he's ultimately responsible for everything.

Quote:or was it the misuse or deprivation of the good God created?

How incompetent does god have to be that his creation can be misused?
How ineffective is he that he can't undo the damage caused by the misuse?

Quote:Who says God HAS to participate in this Reality; instead, could it be He chooses to?

If he doesn't participate then he's immoral for setting up a system that includes so much evil and not fixing it. If he does participate then he's even more despicable for permitting it.

Fortunately there is no evidence that a god even exists so it's all just bullshit.

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