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22-06-2016, 01:05 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 01:01 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  God did not create man rebellious...this resulted from man's decision to disobey the creator.

A decision that an omnipotent god would have been able to see.

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22-06-2016, 01:07 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 01:01 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  God did not create man rebellious...this resulted from man's decision to disobey the creator.

God still created man, he created Adam and Eve in a way where they would be able to disobey him. He could've made them brainwashed robots who only know how to follow orders and never rebel, but he didn't so then they rebelled, it's all his fault in the end. Who else would've given them the power to rebel if it wasn't God? That makes no sense.

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22-06-2016, 01:12 PM
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(22-06-2016 01:03 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 12:31 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  First prove that space fairy that you were brainwashed to believe in exist. Then you can go into specifics.

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Have you considered the cosmological argument for God's existence?

Many times, in multiple variations. They are all based on fallacies.

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22-06-2016, 01:14 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 01:05 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 01:01 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  God did not create man rebellious...this resulted from man's decision to disobey the creator.

A decision that an omnipotent god would have been able to see.

He did, yet chose to create anyway. He thought offering redemption to fallen humanity was worth creating man anyway. Since He is God, His ways are beyond our understanding unless He reveals them to us.
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22-06-2016, 01:14 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 01:03 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 12:31 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  First prove that space fairy that you were brainwashed to believe in exist. Then you can go into specifics.

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Have you considered the cosmological argument for God's existence?
Such shit isn't even worth considering. Also it's obvious that you aren't interested in discussion, just in preaching/trolling.

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22-06-2016, 01:16 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 01:12 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 01:03 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Have you considered the cosmological argument for God's existence?

Many times, in multiple variations. They are all based on fallacies.

Please describe some of the fallacies you discovered.
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22-06-2016, 01:17 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 01:14 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 01:03 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Have you considered the cosmological argument for God's existence?
Such shit isn't even worth considering. Also it's obvious that you aren't interested in discussion, just in preaching/trolling.

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I am very interested in discussing, why would you think otherwise? Why is the argument not worth considering?
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22-06-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 12:19 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 11:52 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Remind us with suffering? That's so stupid, he could set up a big movie screen in the sky and explain it all to us without all of this pretense of hiding and behaving exactly like we would expect of something that doesn't exist.

Perhaps the greater good is not our happiness but knowledge of God. Since man is rebellious, God allows suffering to increase our dependency on Him. Therefore, the benefit of increased knowledge of God is far greater than suffering experienced.

That's fucking stupid and anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty would reject such childish nonsense.

All you are doing is trying to force reality to fit your fantasy, it's called cognitive dissonance. Just stop. Facepalm

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22-06-2016, 01:20 PM (This post was last modified: 22-06-2016 08:52 PM by Fatbaldhobbit.)
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 12:19 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  Perhaps the greater good is not our happiness but knowledge of God. Since man is rebellious, God allows suffering to increase our dependency on Him. Therefore, the benefit of increased knowledge of God is far greater than suffering experienced.

People like you make me want to vomit.

Wonder if this suffering was worth it?
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Or this?
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I try not to radically edit my posts, but this time I am.
Adding spoiler bars.

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22-06-2016, 01:20 PM
RE: evil and God
(22-06-2016 01:07 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  
(22-06-2016 01:01 PM)godisinspiteofevil Wrote:  God did not create man rebellious...this resulted from man's decision to disobey the creator.

God still created man, he created Adam and Eve in a way where they would be able to disobey him. He could've made them brainwashed robots who only know how to follow orders and never rebel, but he didn't so then they rebelled, it's all his fault in the end. Who else would've given them the power to rebel if it wasn't God? That makes no sense.

SitaSky, if that is your pic you are cute. If man were robotic, he could not experience a real loving relationship which is why God created man in the first place. Would you want someone to choose you based on robotic response or real emotion?
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