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08-09-2014, 06:56 PM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(08-09-2014 06:39 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  in other news bigfoot found!









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Haha! Even though it's terrible evidence, the evidence in these videos is FAR better than a lot of these religious experiences- or any of the claims made in the bible for that matter!

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08-09-2014, 06:59 PM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
Bah, that ain't God. This is God.

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08-09-2014, 07:06 PM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(08-09-2014 06:56 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 06:39 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  in other news bigfoot found!









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Haha! Even though it's terrible evidence, the evidence in these videos is FAR better than a lot of these religious experiences- or any of the claims made in the bible for that matter!

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I use the bigfoot analogy on them all the time, one of my favs.

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08-09-2014, 07:10 PM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(08-09-2014 03:55 PM)sophonian Wrote:  I havent found any confirmation that it is an hoax

If you wait around for evidence before disbelieving in something, you're going to end up believing in a lot of nonsense. See Russell's Teapot.

That's not how it works. Better to suspend belief in a given claim in lieu of compelling evidence, rather than accepting things because they haven't been refuted.

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08-09-2014, 07:23 PM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(08-09-2014 03:55 PM)sophonian Wrote:  There are photos from the event. This is specially interesting, but looks like a religious image. I havent found any confirmation that it is an hoax.

And I haven't found any confirmation that it is a miracle. Drinking Beverage


You are the one calling it a miracle - you must support that with evidence. Go ahead.

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08-09-2014, 11:19 PM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
Oh for shit sakes the bitch is white as flour. Mary, if she existed at all, would have looked nothing like that. How do I know it's fake? Cause it is an image of a snow white Middle Eastern Jew.

How does this shit fool anyone?

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09-09-2014, 05:52 AM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(08-09-2014 05:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  That is not a credible picture; it is certainly not a photograph.

Do you find that convincing enough to actually require a refutation? Really?

Exactly. It's no different than me telling you that anywhere from a thousand to a million people saw a leprechaun, oh, and here's a pic:

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Can you explain that?
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09-09-2014, 05:57 AM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(09-09-2014 05:52 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(08-09-2014 05:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  That is not a credible picture; it is certainly not a photograph.

Do you find that convincing enough to actually require a refutation? Really?

Exactly. It's no different than me telling you that anywhere from a thousand to a million people saw a leprechaun, oh, and here's a pic:

[Image: Leprechaun_Sketch_by_CromeCre8ive.jpg]

Can you explain that?

That's the virgin Mary though Consider She's in disguise. The bottle is baby Jesus, also in disguise...

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09-09-2014, 12:37 PM
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(08-09-2014 03:55 PM)sophonian Wrote:  It is said the Virgin appeared at Zeitoun. Some skeptics have trying to explain the miracle.

From wiki:

Critical evaluation of the events

Estimates of the number of observers of the event vary greatly. Thousands were said to have flocked to the Church after the first announced occurrences of the phenomenon. Some claim the apparitions were seen by millions. Other sources estimate the figure at around 250,000 in total. Cynthia Nelson [5] was a professor of anthropology at AUC (American University in Cairo) and the founding director of the Institute of Gender and Women's Studies. She visited the church site on several occasions including April 15, 1968, another week later near the end of April and on June 1, 1968. Despite the accounts of ongoing, if irregular, visitations by the Marian apparition, Cynthia Nelson documents seeing nothing other than a few 'intermittent flashes of light'.[6]

Cynthia Nelson and others [7] have put the Mary apparition in its context. The appearances came at a period of crisis in Egyptian history and served as a beacon of peace and unity to Egyptians of every creed.

Sociologists Robert Bartholomew and Erich Goode offer the Zeitoun apparitions as a prominent case of mass delusion:

“It appears that the Marian observers were predisposed by religious background and social expectation to interpreting the light displays as related to the Virgin Mary.”[8] "It is said virgin appeared to people at Zaitoun, Egypt. There are also some skeptics who have explained the aparition.


There are photos from the event. This is specially interesting, but looks like a religious image. I havent found any confirmation that it is an hoax. What do you think of this image and others?

http://yourdivineinspirations.net/wp-con...oun-05.jpg
Not another one of these...

Please explain to me why this would even be true. There supposedly exists this omnipotent god who doesn't show himself to us and doesn't otherwise prove his existence to us. Conclusion: he doesn't want us to know that he exists. I mean why else hide like that? We are told our eternal destiny of bliss vs. torture depend on believing in this god. But how can we believe if we know?

But, on the other hand, he supposedly sends Mary to various places to communicate with us. If it's for real, surely the eyewitnesses will have seen enough to know. So does he or doesn't he want us to know? Consider

Regarding the image: Why does every "mysterious" picture of a woman in that style of dress have to be Mary?

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09-09-2014, 01:04 PM (This post was last modified: 09-09-2014 01:07 PM by Simon Moon.)
RE: explain the miracle of Zeitoun
(08-09-2014 03:55 PM)sophonian Wrote:  There are photos from the event. This is specially interesting, but looks like a religious image. I havent found any confirmation that it is an hoax. What do you think of this image and others?

http://yourdivineinspirations.net/wp-con...oun-05.jpg


All I see in that image is a Disney Princess.

If there was a Jesus, he would have looked pretty much like this -


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Do you really think that the female counterpart from that time and part of the world, would like like a white girl with a nose job?


The gullibility is strong with this one...
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