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13-08-2014, 12:40 PM
RE: femism vs geek culture and why I think feminist spining wheels
but I think that gives me an interesting opinion on this matter.. I mean i am invested in female characters being good. but I don't want every character being that type.

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13-08-2014, 02:51 PM
RE: femism vs geek culture and why I think feminist spining wheels
(13-08-2014 10:38 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(13-08-2014 02:39 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Negs

Yeah let's get back to the good old times when there were no female characters in video games. In fact, pretty much like most video games right now on thinking about it. And the number of video games where the main character is female are still rare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_v...emographic


You really do talk pish. Give me a good reason why there shouldn't be more female characters (including main characters) in video games.

If the creator of the game wants the main character to be female then they can do that. Let people determine what they want in games through the free market. Plenty of games with a female main character sell well (Complete wikipedia list here). What feminists are doing is trying to force their agenda on gamers, and then calling us sexist and misogynist if we reject it. Look at the backlash in the mainstream media when people got upset that a SJW was the head of community management or whatever.

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No one here is claiming that games shouldn't be criticized, we just think they should be criticized on things like gameplay and story, not on the gender of the main character.

And before anyone brings up the "you support rape threats" strawman, I (and I'm assuming everyone else here) condemns, in the harshest manner, the rape threats Anita Sarkeesian received. Obviously rape threats are wrong. But it is important to remember that people sending you rape/death threats does not make you right. What people did was wrong, but what she has to say is still bullshit.

The video games are being criticized for more than having a male lead, and again, so it's restated, criticism serves the purpose of broadening the area of discussion. Having a male lead, even having argueably sexists tropes, doesn't make a game bad. It only makes it none representative or guilty of using that trope. There are many ways to counter a message and to facilitate a change; talking about them is one such way. No one is arguing that females should be the lead is every movie, or that casts have to be gender representative, only that they probably should, at least more often than they are right now. A film about a male football team is probably not going to be gender representative, but maybe it could still pass the bechdel test at least.

"Feminist Frequency" does some great videos on video games and sexism in video games. I feel like here critics are usually very fair.







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13-08-2014, 03:01 PM
RE: femism vs geek culture and why I think feminist spining wheels
(13-08-2014 02:51 PM)Michael_Tadlock Wrote:  
(13-08-2014 10:38 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  If the creator of the game wants the main character to be female then they can do that. Let people determine what they want in games through the free market. Plenty of games with a female main character sell well (Complete wikipedia list here). What feminists are doing is trying to force their agenda on gamers, and then calling us sexist and misogynist if we reject it. Look at the backlash in the mainstream media when people got upset that a SJW was the head of community management or whatever.

Link

No one here is claiming that games shouldn't be criticized, we just think they should be criticized on things like gameplay and story, not on the gender of the main character.

And before anyone brings up the "you support rape threats" strawman, I (and I'm assuming everyone else here) condemns, in the harshest manner, the rape threats Anita Sarkeesian received. Obviously rape threats are wrong. But it is important to remember that people sending you rape/death threats does not make you right. What people did was wrong, but what she has to say is still bullshit.

The video games are being criticized for more than having a male lead, and again, so it's restated, criticism serves the purpose of broadening the area of discussion. Having a male lead, even having argueably sexists tropes, doesn't make a game bad. It only makes it none representative or guilty of using that trope. There are many ways to counter a message and to facilitate a change; talking about them is one such way. No one is arguing that females should be the lead is every movie, or that casts have to be gender representative, only that they probably should, at least more often than they are right now. A film about a male football team is probably not going to be gender representative, but maybe it could still pass the bechdel test at least.

"Feminist Frequency" does some great videos on video games and sexism in video games. I feel like here critics are usually very fair.








Thunderf00t has some great responses to her videos as well.
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13-08-2014, 03:12 PM
RE: femism vs geek culture and why I think feminist spining wheels
I believe one of the biggest video games in the world has a female lead. Tomb Raider, anyone?

The Last of Us?


But like I said before, why does nobody complain about the fact that men are the faceless objects who get killed all the time. Why? Because we know its not real. I doubt games are now supporting objectification of men and/or women. In fact, I believe there was a study showing video games lower violence in a person.

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13-08-2014, 03:18 PM
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I've heard pornography lowers violence as well.
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13-08-2014, 03:59 PM (This post was last modified: 13-08-2014 07:27 PM by ClydeLee.)
Re: RE: femism vs geek culture and why I think feminist spining wheels
(13-08-2014 03:12 PM)Just Another Atheist Wrote:  I believe one of the biggest video games in the world has a female lead. Tomb Raider, anyone?

The Last of Us?


But like I said before, why does nobody complain about the fact that men are the faceless objects who get killed all the time. Why? Because we know its not real. I doubt games are now supporting objectification of men and/or women. In fact, I believe there was a study showing video games lower violence in a person.

People do conplain about it! It's bad stereotypes and poor trope use as well, But there's a reason mens rights advocates come off as childish when they argue they're being subjugated. Yes, there's some issues a man may be disadvantaged in, but it's clear that women in society are currently struggled wiry more inequality.

I am saddened by the many people I see take this stance... well the feminism argument is bunk since you could say male characters are gloried heros or games encourage greed or other sins.

Well all of those are to their degree true. They don't limit another position. I actually hated thunderfoots video because many of his points treated the feminist criticism as a "scientific argument" which it's not, nor does it try to be. It's an analysis like one would do in a literary field. It's never saying, I declare this is the only way to judge and view this. That's the beauty and fun of analysis. You can approach from a historical perspective, feminist, psychoanalytical, marxist, or many other positions. You can think a point is wrong, but it's immaturity or lack of understanding when people think a different way of analyzing something weakens the other analysis.

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13-08-2014, 07:20 PM
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http://youtu.be/rH8AkN6kWZk

just thought I'd post this..XDXDXD

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13-08-2014, 07:30 PM
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http://youtu.be/eXHvZXc9_50

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14-08-2014, 09:40 AM
RE: femism vs geek culture and why I think feminist spining wheels
(13-08-2014 12:06 PM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  I have female power fantasies too. I got manhandled by a female police officer in the ER and I thoroughly enjoyed it and will always have a good memory of it. I'll let a plain to a good looking chick hit, bite, cut or cuff ,or punch me in the balls.

I just wont to let them assault me with a strap on. I have known radical feminists and I think their attitude is the shit! especially if I remind them of their father or the guy they lost their virginity to. Wink

You seem to have the same fetish as me.

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14-08-2014, 02:07 PM
RE: femism vs geek culture and why I think feminist spining wheels
apparently he doesn't have the same life fantasy I have...{notice the difference thee please because mine is a combination of the two.} lol.

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