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20-06-2016, 10:20 AM
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(13-06-2016 01:01 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(25-03-2016 08:27 AM)god has no twitter account Wrote:  So god got up one morning 13.8 billion or 6,000 years ago and just created a universe?

Really?

Why on that particular day 6,000/13.8 billion years ago?

It gets weirder than that.

If God created all things and God is eternal, then, by very definition, there was an infinite amount of time when there was just God, and nothing else.

So, it's not so much that "God got up one day X years ago and created everything", but rather "God was sitting there twiddling his thumbs for infinity years, and then created everything". It doesn't matter how many years have gone by since, he was still sitting alone for infinity years.

perhaps all those eons of loneliness drove him insane and thats why he created everything
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20-06-2016, 10:38 AM
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(20-06-2016 10:20 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(13-06-2016 01:01 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  It gets weirder than that.

If God created all things and God is eternal, then, by very definition, there was an infinite amount of time when there was just God, and nothing else.

So, it's not so much that "God got up one day X years ago and created everything", but rather "God was sitting there twiddling his thumbs for infinity years, and then created everything". It doesn't matter how many years have gone by since, he was still sitting alone for infinity years.

perhaps all those eons of loneliness drove him insane and thats why he created everything

That would actually explain quite a bit...

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20-06-2016, 11:59 AM
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(20-06-2016 10:20 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(13-06-2016 01:01 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  It gets weirder than that.

If God created all things and God is eternal, then, by very definition, there was an infinite amount of time when there was just God, and nothing else.

So, it's not so much that "God got up one day X years ago and created everything", but rather "God was sitting there twiddling his thumbs for infinity years, and then created everything". It doesn't matter how many years have gone by since, he was still sitting alone for infinity years.

perhaps all those eons of loneliness drove him insane and thats why he created everything




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20-06-2016, 12:15 PM
RE: god just got up one morn .....
Of course, for god to get up in the morning he had to create the morning before he could get up in the morning to create the morning but since there was no morning to get up to create a morning....he just slept in.

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Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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24-07-2016, 02:50 AM
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(25-03-2016 12:49 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  Christians hate having to answer that question, if I ever debate one about Big Bang theory they always end up stating that something can't come from nothing and then I say "Ok so let's assume God created everything, why?" and they can't answer the question because the Bible only hints that he did so for "his glory" or simply because he wanted to be worshiped which only makes him sound like a little 12 year old rich boy who pays other kids to hang out with him. Sure maybe he's cool enough to just make friends but why bother when you can force them to hang out because they need the money?

God doesn't do a whole lot in the early parts of the Bible to merit worship, he's really a big bully and why not do what he says? If it will get you into Heaven or at least not have your soul annihilated, it's your only chance so just take the deal and try to be happy about it.

It's honestly so disturbing to imagine this being that can read all our minds and watch us at all times, controlling our afterlife and maybe stroking a cat on his lap, smoking a cigar with some beautiful angel giving him a neck massage. I guess if you want to be powerful, that's one thing but why does it matter if you can't get a bunch of sentient life forms to literally worship you and try to follow your ignorant immoral laws? If that's not the reason God created everything the only other options are: He was just bored or he just wanted to see if he could, neither of those sound so great either.

God created everything of course, to have relationships, If you were on earth by yourself, and had the ability to create, you would create others no doubt, unless you are a loner. So God created the angels, they rebelled, God then created man, who also rebelled. It will be recorded how man following Satan's ways is evil, and greedy, murderous in war etc. etc all. And the 1000 year reign of Christ will show the opposite.

No thinking man, imho, thinks the universe is 6000 years old. 1st day 9.2 billion years. 2nd day 3.6 billion years, 3rd day 100 million years, 4rth day, 300 million years, 5th day 250 million years, 6th day 250 million years. 7th Day were are in His Rest.

As per worship, the word comes from the Old English word weorthscipe, which means the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity. To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God. Meanings change, it doesn't mean God demands worship, it meas that humans and angels ascribe a certain set of values to God, and glorify Him for being perfect, honest, holy etc.

As per God being a bully or whatever some call him. God understands, no sinners can come in His presence, His Glory would destroy them, this is why he had to leave Jesus on the cross when the sins were upon him. Jesus asked, Why did you foresake me. In the same mode, sin will destroy all who cling to it, because it separates us from God. So God is trying to teach us how to gain life, because there is nothing but death outside of God. And He doesn't control us, He gives us free will, to choose Him or reject Him. We will live with Him which is life or reject Him which is death. He gives us our own choice.
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24-07-2016, 04:48 AM
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At work.

Hello! Big Grin

Not sure if a serious post/responce to the thread but welcome.

My first innitial question to the above poster is "Which diety and why a diety."

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24-07-2016, 06:14 AM (This post was last modified: 24-07-2016 06:33 AM by unfogged.)
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Probably a drive-by, but....

(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  God created everything of course, to have relationships, If you were on earth by yourself, and had the ability to create, you would create others no doubt, unless you are a loner.

Why would a perfect being feel the need for a relationship? Why would he want it to be with vastly inferior creatures?

Quote:So God created the angels, they rebelled, God then created man, who also rebelled.

Sounds like this god is a pretty incompetent designer.

Quote:It will be recorded how man following Satan's ways is evil, and greedy, murderous in war etc. etc all. And the 1000 year reign of Christ will show the opposite.

Your evidence that this will happen is? An old book of mythology is not evidence by the way.

Quote:No thinking man, imho, thinks the universe is 6000 years old. 1st day 9.2 billion years. 2nd day 3.6 billion years, 3rd day 100 million years, 4rth day, 300 million years, 5th day 250 million years, 6th day 250 million years. 7th Day were are in His Rest.

The justification for those time frames is what? If you are trying to map genesis to science then you first have to explain the different order of events between genesis 1 and 2 and then why they don't map to the order of actual events.

Quote:As per worship, the word comes from the Old English word weorthscipe, which means the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity. To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God. Meanings change, it doesn't mean God demands worship, it meas that humans and angels ascribe a certain set of values to God, and glorify Him for being perfect, honest, holy etc.

The god described in the bible is far from perfect, admits to lying, and is generally a despicable character. It is not worthy of respect and has no dignity. Luckily, it also has no apparent existence.

Quote:As per God being a bully or whatever some call him. God understands, no sinners can come in His presence, His Glory would destroy them,

In my judgement that is immoral.

Quote:this is why he had to leave Jesus on the cross when the sins were upon him.

Substitutionary atonement is the height of immorality. It solves nothing except satisfying the blood lust of the primitive canaanite god.

Quote:Jesus asked, Why did you foresake me. In the same mode, sin will destroy all who cling to it, because it separates us from God.

Sin only exists if there is a god. You'd have to demonstrate that first.

Quote:So God is trying to teach us how to gain life, because there is nothing but death outside of God.

He seems to be a really, really bad teacher.

Quote:And He doesn't control us, He gives us free will, to choose Him or reject Him. We will live with Him which is life or reject Him which is death. He gives us our own choice.

He gives a choice like a mafia boss. Nice little life you have there... a shame if something were to happen to it... A "free choice" with the caveat that if you don't pick the "right" one you will be destroyed, or tortured forever depending on your theology, is not a free choice. A choice where the information needed to make it is not freely accessible is not a choice.

The whole xian theology is simply incoherent.

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24-07-2016, 08:07 AM
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Maybe we're just in a practice universe. That's why God can't be detected. He's already moved on to his second, third, or whateverth draft. Yes

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24-07-2016, 09:17 AM
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(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  
(25-03-2016 12:49 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  Christians hate having to answer that question, if I ever debate one about Big Bang theory they always end up stating that something can't come from nothing and then I say "Ok so let's assume God created everything, why?" and they can't answer the question because the Bible only hints that he did so for "his glory" or simply because he wanted to be worshiped which only makes him sound like a little 12 year old rich boy who pays other kids to hang out with him. Sure maybe he's cool enough to just make friends but why bother when you can force them to hang out because they need the money?

God doesn't do a whole lot in the early parts of the Bible to merit worship, he's really a big bully and why not do what he says? If it will get you into Heaven or at least not have your soul annihilated, it's your only chance so just take the deal and try to be happy about it.

It's honestly so disturbing to imagine this being that can read all our minds and watch us at all times, controlling our afterlife and maybe stroking a cat on his lap, smoking a cigar with some beautiful angel giving him a neck massage. I guess if you want to be powerful, that's one thing but why does it matter if you can't get a bunch of sentient life forms to literally worship you and try to follow your ignorant immoral laws? If that's not the reason God created everything the only other options are: He was just bored or he just wanted to see if he could, neither of those sound so great either.

God created everything of course, to have relationships, If you were on earth by yourself, and had the ability to create, you would create others no doubt, unless you are a loner. So God created the angels, they rebelled, God then created man, who also rebelled. It will be recorded how man following Satan's ways is evil, and greedy, murderous in war etc. etc all. And the 1000 year reign of Christ will show the opposite.

No thinking man, imho, thinks the universe is 6000 years old. 1st day 9.2 billion years. 2nd day 3.6 billion years, 3rd day 100 million years, 4rth day, 300 million years, 5th day 250 million years, 6th day 250 million years. 7th Day were are in His Rest.

As per worship, the word comes from the Old English word weorthscipe, which means the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity. To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God. Meanings change, it doesn't mean God demands worship, it meas that humans and angels ascribe a certain set of values to God, and glorify Him for being perfect, honest, holy etc.

As per God being a bully or whatever some call him. God understands, no sinners can come in His presence, His Glory would destroy them, this is why he had to leave Jesus on the cross when the sins were upon him. Jesus asked, Why did you foresake me. In the same mode, sin will destroy all who cling to it, because it separates us from God. So God is trying to teach us how to gain life, because there is nothing but death outside of God. And He doesn't control us, He gives us free will, to choose Him or reject Him. We will live with Him which is life or reject Him which is death. He gives us our own choice.
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01-08-2016, 02:07 PM
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(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  God created everything of course, to have relationships,

So his plan on having relationships is to hide? How many relationships have you had that the other party didn't know you where in a relationship?

(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  If you were on earth by yourself, and had the ability to create, you would create others no doubt, unless you are a loner. So God created the angels, they rebelled, God then created man, who also rebelled. It will be recorded how man following Satan's ways is evil, and greedy, murderous in war etc. etc all. And the 1000 year reign of Christ will show the opposite.

So in your mind your god isn't all knowing or has the ability to correct his mistakes, nor destroy things? If not why wouldn't he just snap his fingers get ride of Satan or the disobedient angels?

In your scenario God didn't foresee the angels rebelling (or maybe he did and didn't, or couldn't prevent it.) Nor did he see his human creations (or he did and didn't or couldn't prevent it.) He created Satan with full knowledge of his actions or he didn't and just was indifferent.

Or maybe Satan is more powerful then God. Maybe he's the guy people should be worshiping, Satan seems like a guy that get's shit done. When he puts his mind to something it happens. He's able to out smart, and over power god apparently at every turn.

(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  No thinking man, I know , thinks the universe is 6000 years old.

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(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  1st day 9.2 billion years. 2nd day 3.6 billion years, 3rd day 100 million years, 4rth day, 300 million years, 5th day 250 million years, 6th day 250 million years. 7th Day were are in His Rest.

Hmm.. hold on i need to check something.

Day
1. a period of twenty-four hours as a unit of time, reckoned from one midnight to the next, corresponding to a rotation of the earth on its axis.

hmm wait let me...

Genesis 1:5
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:8
And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


Here's what happens when you change the story. You show that you don't accept that the bible is true. Rather then attempt to adjust the story to fit your world veiw maybe it would be better just to throw the whole thing out. Because the book that is supposed to be the guide book for life/exsitance. That was devinly transcipbed ether by gods hands, or written by man but was told what to write by god. Or the third opetion (man made it up)

(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  As per worship, the word comes from the Old English word weorthscipe, which means the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity. To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God. Meanings change, it doesn't mean God demands worship, it meas that humans and angels ascribe a certain set of values to God, and glorify Him for being perfect, honest, holy etc.





What does a being that can do anything, be anything, a creatare anything want with worship? To me it sounds self centered and prideful.

(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  As per God being a bully or whatever some call him. God understands, no sinners can come in His presence, His Glory would destroy them,

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(24-07-2016 02:50 AM)Rondonmon Wrote:  this is why he had to leave Jesus on the cross when the sins were upon him. Jesus asked, Why did you foresake me. In the same mode, sin will destroy all who cling to it, because it separates us from God. So God is trying to teach us how to gain life, because there is nothing but death outside of God. And He doesn't control us, He gives us free will, to choose Him or reject Him. We will live with Him which is life or reject Him which is death. He gives us our own choice.

Prove it.

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