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05-01-2017, 03:17 PM (This post was last modified: 05-01-2017 05:42 PM by Chas.)
RE: god just got up one morn .....
(05-01-2017 12:47 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  
(04-01-2017 04:28 PM)Chas Wrote:  There is, in fact, no problem. It is all made up shit. Drinking Beverage

Theologians waste everyone's time.


If God creates all outside of time, God gets responsibility for all moral evil. It's a problem.

If God is subject to time like all of us, it implies that God is also subject to all of physics. Relativityy shows our dimensions, mass, and flow of time varies with our velocity, a deep connection with all of physics. Or in other words, naturalism rules. So much for supernaturalism. For basic Christian dogma of a transcendental God, it's a problem. A good reason to support atheism. Time and God are a bad mix.

It's a problem. For theism.

Prove there's a god before you go claiming a problem.
Now you're wasting our time. It's all made up shit.


I reread that and see that I misunderstood you.

Yes, theism has insurmountable problems which is why it is a colossal waste of time, effort, and lives.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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05-01-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: god just got up one morn .....
It is kinda amusing though. The religious can't even come up with reasonably believable fantasies. Their own philosophers recognise this and spend endless hours dicking around with word games and fiddly modifications to things like the Kalaam argument, ignoring that all of these things are completely meaningless until they can demonstrate anything that can reasonably be called a deity. It's so bloody pointless it's actually beautiful.

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18-01-2017, 07:53 AM
RE: god just got up one morn .....
We have galaxies known to be billions of light years away.
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23-01-2017, 11:21 AM
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(18-01-2017 07:53 AM)Peter Slevon Wrote:  We have galaxies known to be billions of light years away.
True Believers™ have an answer for everything. In this case, either that the universe was created with apparent age, or science is just misinterpreting things.

One thing that some Young Earth Creationists are catching onto is that as we move out into the cosmos and learn more and more about it, that they must become Young Universe Creationists. One YEC group I know of, likes to (borrowing a phrase here from the nascent Trump administration) offer "alternative facts" / interpretations of data coming in from probes like New Horizons, Rosetta / Philae, and the like. The scientists with their biased presuppositions are getting it all wrong, they say. The presence of organic molecules on these bodies demonstrates, not that the Earth was seeded with those molecules from comets, but that comets were seeded with those molecules from earth (typically, via material spewed into space from Earth during the cataclysm of the Flood).

Of course this creates far more problems than it solves for them, not least how objects in orbits with periods of hundreds of thousands of years could have been in contact with material from an event that supposedly happened on Earth a mere 6,000 or so years ago. Or how material from that event could be spared to seed the comets when there wasn't enough of it in the first place to raise sea level above the tallest mountains.

Once could go on and on, but in the fact-free echo chamber of Christian fundamentalism, it doesn't matter and is beside the point. Which is to keep believers sound asleep with, and fully invested in, comforting lies.
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23-01-2017, 04:12 PM
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(05-01-2017 03:38 PM)morondog Wrote:  It is kinda amusing though. The religious can't even come up with reasonably believable fantasies. Their own philosophers recognise this and spend endless hours dicking around with word games and fiddly modifications to things like the Kalaam argument, ignoring that all of these things are completely meaningless until they can demonstrate anything that can reasonably be called a deity. It's so bloody pointless it's actually beautiful.

They give arguments instead of evidence, then we're supposed to pretend like it's evidence. Rolleyes

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