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11-09-2014, 07:53 PM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
(11-09-2014 03:36 PM)Ruby Wrote:  after seeing the attachment (attached hopefully) with couple of christians saying Amen, an atheist said:
"take a second and take off those well intentioned rose tinted spectacles, as l understand things are good to great on our side. But just tell ur post to more than 9 million innocent children, who before reaching 5, die per year, ~17 per minute, from "natural" causes, thats a 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami tragedy, (killed over 230K ppl in 14 countries), every 9-10 days, but killing only innocent children under 5, many of their parents and family religious, praying for lessening of pain, agony, suffering and mercy on their child, prayers not answered. Sam Harris says either yaweh is either "impotent. or uncaring" or only live in your imagination, like all the other gods, l'd say. H-A-LE D O W N the loo YAH, AMEN!
>9mill innocent children dieing per yr, before reaching 5 from natural diseases is just for starters, btw"

to which the christian replies, " As far as I understand and believed, the world is so sinful thats why natural disaster happens! Innocent child died because there are humans that are rebellious and their heart is like a stone,and the MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DON'T HAVE GOD IN THEIR LIVES!
GOD allow this thing to happen because God wants us to be sorry for our sins, and live a Godly life!"

any suggestions how to reply to this christian?

thanks for help Smile

The ones with the hearts of stone are the Christians using the tsunami as justification for why people need to start worshiping their god: "God is punishing these people! It's a sign that we all need to run to Jesus to prevent these things from occurring!"

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12-09-2014, 01:42 AM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
(11-09-2014 07:53 PM)WindyCityJazz Wrote:  
(11-09-2014 03:36 PM)Ruby Wrote:  after seeing the attachment (attached hopefully) with couple of christians saying Amen, an atheist said:
"take a second and take off those well intentioned rose tinted spectacles, as l understand things are good to great on our side. But just tell ur post to more than 9 million innocent children, who before reaching 5, die per year, ~17 per minute, from "natural" causes, thats a 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami tragedy, (killed over 230K ppl in 14 countries), every 9-10 days, but killing only innocent children under 5, many of their parents and family religious, praying for lessening of pain, agony, suffering and mercy on their child, prayers not answered. Sam Harris says either yaweh is either "impotent. or uncaring" or only live in your imagination, like all the other gods, l'd say. H-A-LE D O W N the loo YAH, AMEN!
>9mill innocent children dieing per yr, before reaching 5 from natural diseases is just for starters, btw"

to which the christian replies, " As far as I understand and believed, the world is so sinful thats why natural disaster happens! Innocent child died because there are humans that are rebellious and their heart is like a stone,and the MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DON'T HAVE GOD IN THEIR LIVES!
GOD allow this thing to happen because God wants us to be sorry for our sins, and live a Godly life!"

any suggestions how to reply to this christian?

thanks for help Smile

The ones with the hearts of stone are the Christians using the tsunami as justification for why people need to start worshiping their god: "God is punishing these people! It's a sign that we all need to run to Jesus to prevent these things from occurring!"

Says the Christian living in their 4th house in Tornado Ally. Tongue

As for the OP: "Go fellate a shotgun." Is what I would say to a person like that. That's not a person you can or should try to reason with, that's the type of person to just get the hell away from.

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12-09-2014, 02:29 AM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
Does "go have an intense sexual intercourse with a rusty chainsaw at full throttle" qualify as an answer?
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12-09-2014, 03:38 AM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
(11-09-2014 03:36 PM)Ruby Wrote:  after seeing the attachment (attached hopefully) with couple of christians saying Amen, an atheist said:
"take a second and take off those well intentioned rose tinted spectacles, as l understand things are good to great on our side. But just tell ur post to more than 9 million innocent children, who before reaching 5, die per year, ~17 per minute, from "natural" causes, thats a 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami tragedy, (killed over 230K ppl in 14 countries), every 9-10 days, but killing only innocent children under 5, many of their parents and family religious, praying for lessening of pain, agony, suffering and mercy on their child, prayers not answered. Sam Harris says either yaweh is either "impotent. or uncaring" or only live in your imagination, like all the other gods, l'd say. H-A-LE D O W N the loo YAH, AMEN!
>9mill innocent children dieing per yr, before reaching 5 from natural diseases is just for starters, btw"

to which the christian replies, " As far as I understand and believed, the world is so sinful thats why natural disaster happens! Innocent child died because there are humans that are rebellious and their heart is like a stone,and the MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DON'T HAVE GOD IN THEIR LIVES!
GOD allow this thing to happen because God wants us to be sorry for our sins, and live a Godly life!"

any suggestions how to reply to this christian?

thanks for help Smile

Give him a Richard Dawkins answer:

Then your god is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully
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12-09-2014, 06:11 AM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
(11-09-2014 03:36 PM)Ruby Wrote:  any suggestions how to reply to this christian?

Aside from Logisch's opening reply of "That sounds like made up bullshit. Prove it.", you don't.

Arguing with an apologist about the morality of God is a losing proposition. They will always find a way to spin it to keep God from being culpable. They'll flip-flop every other post between God being all-powerful and all-wise to comparing him to human parents, judges, and police officers with human limitations to explain why he "had to" do something.

It's just an exercise in seeing how much they want to believe something and how good they are at responding to your criticisms. Nothing more will be learned on either side.
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12-09-2014, 11:31 AM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
It sounds like the Christian is trying to find a reason (or excuse) to cover the pain experienced when young ones perish, so how do non-Christians cover this pain?

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12-09-2014, 11:47 AM
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(12-09-2014 11:31 AM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  It sounds like the Christian is trying to find a reason (or excuse) to cover the pain experienced when young ones perish, so how do non-Christians cover this pain?

Realize we can't control everything and try and move on?
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12-09-2014, 12:19 PM
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When you Need, God knows.
So then he knows about all the starving and/or ill children...

When you Ask, God listens.
...many of who do ask...

When you Believe, God works.
...many of who do believe...

When you Pray, Miracles happen.

...many of who do pray.

So what the hell is God waiting for? Dodgy

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12-09-2014, 12:46 PM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
thanks so much for useful replies, spent ~hour writing reply and taking some of my fellow rational and logical atheists posts. my reply:
"So would an all loving god, condemn over 9 million innocent under 5 yr old children to die per year, from natural causes. Diarrheal diseases (such as cholera) kill more children than AIDS, malaria, and measles combined, making it the second leading cause of death among children under five  (let me repeat over 9 million under 5 year old children, thats ~ 17 under 5 yr olds condemned to death per minute by natural causes) because adults are “sinful”?
The children are innocent. Its similar to bombing kindergartens all over the world, because adult evil doers exist and then justifying it with "Of course we had to do that; there is EVIL IN THIS WORLD!". This is just contributing the biggest evil to the 'evil' that already exists.
Surely only a monster could espouse the death of < 5 yr olds? Some agonisingly slow deaths. This monstrosity is believable since bible is choc a block full of barbaric monstrous acts by this "all morally perfect" god.
1 Samuel 15:2-3, Deuteronomy 2:34;3:6; 20:16-18 ordering death of all, including women, children, innocent infants and innocent animals. Numbers 21:1-3 NLT, genocide, rape "in some passages God seems to tacitly sanction rape. In the Old Testament Moses encourages his men to use captured virgins for their own sexual pleasure, i.e. to rape them. After urging his men to kill the male captives and female captive who are not virgins he says: "But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves (Num. 31: 18)." God then explicitly rewards Moses by urging him to distribute the spoils. He does not rebuke Moses or his men (Num. 31: 25-27"),
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16& Psalms 137:9)."
the "perfect" "morality" of yahweh, would make the sum total of every evil tyrant, every serial child killer, every serial killer,  that have, ever, lived, total crimes, seem like a none event.
http://www.nonstampcollector.com/blog/yo...#comments
btw this figure of 9 million under 5 yr olds dieing before reaching 5, is paltry if take into account older age groups and more paltry still if take into account deaths from natural disasters, starvation, genetic diseases / deformities. Oh the natural disasters occur where christianity is just taking a stronger foothold, and all of them have millions of christians.
Just one of the 100's of contradictions in the 'god' inspired book
Ex. 20:5 For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the hird and fourth generations. (Ex. 34:7) Ezek. 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.
Please explain the meaning of this obvious contradiction.
100's of others:
http://sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress....roject.png

babies, children or adults made to starve to death, die of natural diseases , disasters, because god is upset that too many humans don't worship him...and you think this 'god' is worth worshipping? Face the fact, like all other god's out there which have just as much emotional, epistemological, miraculous evidence they're all man made fiction and should remain there."
l don't expect a substantial reply, but if get any reply, let yourselves know. thanks again
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12-09-2014, 01:28 PM
RE: how would you reply to a christian who says following:
(11-09-2014 03:36 PM)Ruby Wrote:  after seeing the attachment (attached hopefully) with couple of christians saying Amen, an atheist said:
"take a second and take off those well intentioned rose tinted spectacles, as l understand things are good to great on our side. But just tell ur post to more than 9 million innocent children, who before reaching 5, die per year, ~17 per minute, from "natural" causes, thats a 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami tragedy, (killed over 230K ppl in 14 countries), every 9-10 days, but killing only innocent children under 5, many of their parents and family religious, praying for lessening of pain, agony, suffering and mercy on their child, prayers not answered. Sam Harris says either yaweh is either "impotent. or uncaring" or only live in your imagination, like all the other gods, l'd say. H-A-LE D O W N the loo YAH, AMEN!
>9mill innocent children dieing per yr, before reaching 5 from natural diseases is just for starters, btw"

to which the christian replies, " As far as I understand and believed, the world is so sinful thats why natural disaster happens! Innocent child died because there are humans that are rebellious and their heart is like a stone,and the MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THEY DON'T HAVE GOD IN THEIR LIVES!
GOD allow this thing to happen because God wants us to be sorry for our sins, and live a Godly life!"

any suggestions how to reply to this christian?

thanks for help Smile


"GOD allow this thing to happen because God wants us to be sorry for our sins"

God either created everything in the universe or he didn't. If he didn't then he's a second rate god and not very powerful.

But if this god is omnipotent, omniscient , omnipresent and created everything in the universe from nothing then he created sin too. In other words, god is punishing the smallest, weakest and most innocent among all his creations to get back at the "sinners"..... which he also created.

He's a dumbass and it's a dumbass concept.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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