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01-12-2014, 04:23 AM
if they read the gospel...
Im typing this on a smartphone, so there will be typos. Lately a new orleans saints player. (Tight end) makes a facebook comment. If the brown family, the martin family, the garner gamily etc were exposed to the gospel more of then education, the whole furguson and trayvon martin tragidys would not happen.

I dont understand in how reading the gospel would of made any difference. Who is this football player to know if exposure to the gospel would of made a difference? I suspect these families read the gospels frequently. This player forgets that an education plays a great role in lifting people out of poverty and preventong these cop confrontations.
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01-12-2014, 05:06 AM
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I feel like that should be horribly racist, but I'm not quite sure.
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01-12-2014, 05:52 AM
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(01-12-2014 05:06 AM)natachan Wrote:  I feel like that should be horribly racist, but I'm not quite sure.

"Brown" is their family name, silly.

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01-12-2014, 06:55 AM
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if people stop listening to what football players have to say on twitter...
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01-12-2014, 07:11 AM
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I'd say there's just as much evidence the opposite is true...


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01-12-2014, 07:24 AM
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(01-12-2014 04:23 AM)shallwechat71 Wrote:  Im typing this on a smartphone, so there will be typos. Lately a new orleans saints player. (Tight end) makes a facebook comment. If the brown family, the martin family, the garner gamily etc were exposed to the gospel more of then education, the whole furguson and trayvon martin tragidys would not happen.

I dont understand in how reading the gospel would of made any difference. Who is this football player to know if exposure to the gospel would of made a difference? I suspect these families read the gospels frequently. This player forgets that an education plays a great role in lifting people out of poverty and preventong these cop confrontations.

No, that's not what he said, in fact his post was directed to everybody, on all sides of the Ferguson issue, and appears to be sympathetic with all parties, and critical of all parties as well. This is likely why the response to his remarks have been overwhelmingly positive by all sides of the debate. The only ones who appear to be offended by his remarks are a handful of atheists.

And he never said "reading" the Gospel is the cure, but that Gospel itself is the cure, in its message of hope and redemption in the face of man's sin. All this involves more than just reading the text, but accepting it as well. You can disagree with this all you like, but don't mischaracterize what he said, and who he was saying it to.

Here's his post in full:

"At some point while I was playing or preparing to play Monday Night Football, the news broke about the Ferguson Decision. After trying to figure out how I felt, I decided to write it down. Here are my thoughts:

I'M ANGRY because the stories of injustice that have been passed down for generations seem to be continuing before our very eyes.

I'M FRUSTRATED, because pop culture, music and movies glorify these types of police citizen altercations and promote an invincible attitude that continues to get young men killed in real life, away from safety movie sets and music studios.

I'M FEARFUL because in the back of my mind I know that although I'm a law abiding citizen I could still be looked upon as a "threat" to those who don't know me. So I will continue to have to go the extra mile to earn the benefit of the doubt.

I'M EMBARRASSED because the looting, violent protests, and law breaking only confirm, and in the minds of many, validate, the stereotypes and thus the inferior treatment.

I'M SAD, because another young life was lost from his family, the racial divide has widened, a community is in shambles, accusations, insensitivity hurt and hatred are boiling over, and we may never know the truth about what happened that day.

I'M SYMPATHETIC, because I wasn't there so I don't know exactly what happened. Maybe Darren Wilson acted within his rights and duty as an officer of the law and killed Michael Brown in self defense like any of us would in the circumstance. Now he has to fear the backlash against himself and his loved ones when he was only doing his job. What a horrible thing to endure. OR maybe he provoked Michael and ignited the series of events that led to him eventually murdering the young man to prove a point.

I'M OFFENDED, because of the insulting comments I've seen that are not only insensitive but dismissive to the painful experiences of others.

I'M CONFUSED, because I don't know why it's so hard to obey a policeman. You will not win!!! And I don't know why some policeman abuse their power. Power is a responsibility, not a weapon to brandish and lord over the populace.

I'M INTROSPECTIVE, because sometimes I want to take "our" side without looking at the facts in situations like these. Sometimes I feel like it's us against them. Sometimes I'm just as prejudiced as people I point fingers at. And that's not right. How can I look at white skin and make assumptions but not want assumptions made about me? That's not right.

I'M HOPELESS, because I've lived long enough to expect things like this to continue to happen. I'm not surprised and at some point my little children are going to inherit the weight of being a minority and all that it entails.

I'M HOPEFUL, because I know that while we still have race issues in America, we enjoy a much different normal than those of our parents and grandparents. I see it in my personal relationships with teammates, friends and mentors. And it's a beautiful thing.

I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."

http://www.khq.com/story/27489010/nfl-pl...goes-viral
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01-12-2014, 07:30 AM
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(01-12-2014 07:24 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."

http://www.khq.com/story/27489010/nfl-pl...goes-viral

It's still bullshit. "Sin" is non-existent - it is the invented ill for which the gospel is the invented cure.

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01-12-2014, 07:33 AM
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(01-12-2014 07:30 AM)Chas Wrote:  It's still bullshit. "Sin" is non-existent - it is the invented ill for which the gospel is the invented cure.

This is perhaps a part of the issue, the belief that there is no such thing as "sin", that there is nothing wrong in man's inherent being, that causes him to fall into the grasp of violence and bigotry, and the all the problems arise from external institutions.
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01-12-2014, 07:45 AM
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(01-12-2014 07:33 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:30 AM)Chas Wrote:  It's still bullshit. "Sin" is non-existent - it is the invented ill for which the gospel is the invented cure.

This is perhaps a part of the issue, the belief that there is no such thing as "sin", that there is nothing wrong in man's inherent being, that causes him to fall into the grasp of violence and bigotry, and the all the problems arise from external institutions.

Yeah, if only we followed the bible we wouldn't have a problem with violence and bigotry. Except those places in the bible where it extolls violence and bigotry......

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01-12-2014, 07:57 AM
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(01-12-2014 07:30 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-12-2014 07:24 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I'M ENCOURAGED, because ultimately the problem is not a SKIN problem, it is a SIN problem. SIN is the reason we rebel against authority. SIN is the reason we abuse our authority. SIN is the reason we are racist, prejudiced and lie to cover for our own. SIN is the reason we riot, loot and burn. BUT I'M ENCOURAGED because God has provided a solution for sin through the his son Jesus and with it, a transformed heart and mind. One that's capable of looking past the outward and seeing what's truly important in every human being. The cure for the Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice and Eric Garner tragedies is not education or exposure. It's the Gospel. So, finally, I'M ENCOURAGED because the Gospel gives mankind hope."

http://www.khq.com/story/27489010/nfl-pl...goes-viral

It's still bullshit. "Sin" is non-existent - it is the invented ill for which the gospel is the invented cure.

I think it is a good post. it was great until he ended with a sermon. Sin is just another way of calling out stepping out of generally accepted social expectations, with a little woo thrown in. I suspect most of the trouble makers are Christians.
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