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28-05-2012, 04:00 PM
intolerance of intolerance. Is it going anywhere and where will it lead us.
Are people who hate people who hate others self absorbed, self righteous
or self aggrandizing? Are stereotypes a means or a justification and
how can these false images be refuted without the refuter defaulting to
their own mental images of the types of people who use stereotypes?



In this day and age we are sometimes inundated with the term "Rights"
but the precursor is always a subgroup of a group instead of the rights
of any individual within that entire group to be treated equally with
anyone else in that group. Is it not in the best interest of the entire
group, as a whole to protect and defend anyone or any subgroup within
the entirety of group lest the subgroup they're in be the next to be
placed on the chopping block?



Is the simple fact that there are subgroups of groups within society
make that society vulnerable to be fractured and why would we give ear
to those who claim to want save society by separating it from itself? Do
those who wish to lead society into a promised land actually have a
promised land to take us or is it this just and image they delude us
into believing because they know we would not believe in them?



When is a sanctuary an prison and a higher order of thinking or acting a
more palatable means of promoting arrogance? When does all this and
much much more begin to create something that is a benefit to everyone?
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29-05-2012, 12:53 PM
RE: intolerance of intolerance. Is it going anywhere and where will it lead us.
This is the classic argument between Locke and Mill.
Do laws make us free or do laws take our freedom?
Read up on these guys and see what you think.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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04-06-2012, 07:28 PM (This post was last modified: 04-06-2012 07:33 PM by justmetoo.)
RE: intolerance of intolerance. Is it going anywhere and where will it lead us.
This is not about laws. It is about becoming like those you oppose in action as well as tone.

He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you...Friedrich Nietzsche

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It is also about those who have divided human beings up into groups in order to pervert each seperate group into pawns in a power game for control of society. Take gays for instance. Does anyone think the religous right could target gays if they had not separated them out from society. If everyone in society could see eachother as their brother, then the power brokers could never turn us against each other. They could spend all day long condeming black people, but if everyone else saw no difference between a person of black or white skin, these brokers would be laughed back in the darkness. I've heard the turm this and that rights, but there would be no reason from individual group rights if we all claimed the right to be human and merely ignored our differences as the nonsence such thoughts actually are.

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10-06-2012, 02:12 AM
RE: intolerance of intolerance. Is it going anywhere and where will it lead us.
Quote:Thisis not about laws.

Perhaps because the laws have not yet caught up to progressive thought. Somebody always has to go ahead and be stoned or derided. Law follows only after the majority has figured out the reason and intent and benefit to society, and put enough
pressure on its representatives – in other words, always about ten years late.


Quote: It is about becoming like those you oppose in action as well as tone.



He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not
become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also
gazes into you...Friedrich Nietzsche
That crazy bastard is your intellectual role-model?

What does that quote actually mean to you? In real, practical terms? What does the monster you're afraid of becoming look like? What are you afraid you might eventually do, if you oppose bigots?



Quote:It is also about those who have divided human beings up into groups in order to pervert each seperate group into pawns in a power game for control of society.
Who, specifically are “those”? Who did it, where and when?
What groups have they divided human being into, and by what method/mechanism have they done it?


Quote: Take gays for instance. Does anyone think the religous right could target gays if they had not separated them out from society.
which "they" separated what "them"?

I think the separation from society wasn’t done by the gays, but by the religious (and perhaps political) leadership of some countries (not all!) for reasons specific to their own time and place. In at least some instances, exactly so that they could use this relatively small and poorly-understood minority for a target, just as in another time and place, the Jews served as a target, or the Huguenots, or the Sunis.


Quote: If everyone in society could see eachother as their brother, then the power brokers could never turn us against each other.
That's what Jesus said, sir!

A hugely important insight. Which will be served by refraining from affirmative action and anti-discriminative legislation…. How?


Quote: ...if everyone else saw no difference between a person of black or white skin, these brokers would be laughed back in
the darkness.
This will work. If one of two things happens: eliminate the history of slavery or jump forward a couple thousand years to racial assimilation. It's the meantime that's going to be tricky.


Quote: I've heard the turm this and that rights, but there would be no reason from individual group rights if we all claimed the right to be human and merely ignored our differences as the nonsence such thoughts actually are.
Well, except for the nations that exempt themselves from the UN definition of universal human rights. US and
Somlia, is it?

How do you propose to get human societies past the prejudices and injustices engendered by their history, without any action, laws or protocols to defend minorities?
Oh, hey! If you lift any rules of tolerance and let the people slaughter one another at will, whoever is left has a right to be. Problem solved.

It's not the mean god I have trouble with - it's the people who worship a mean god.
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