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26-10-2010, 11:02 PM
is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
So a very common claim I get all the time from Catholics is that only theologians are qualified to tell us what the bible says.

of course in order to get anywhere with one of these people you have to overcome this initial barrier or anything you say about what's in the bible is discounted as being untrue.

I've got my own methods (which mostly work but not always) to get around this.

I'm just curious to what everyone's thoughts are or if there is a Catholic on here what your position on the matter is.
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26-10-2010, 11:46 PM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
That is ridiculous, nobody is restricted from talking about theology, regardless of religion
or lack of it. Religion is a very big deal and everyone should be encouraged to discuss it.

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27-10-2010, 02:32 AM
 
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
The notion that only clergy are qualified to discuss religion is manifestly to the clergy's advantage ... keep the believers in line by telling them not to think ... only obey the clergy! This is a form of oligarchical totalitarianism.
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27-10-2010, 09:02 AM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
(26-10-2010 11:02 PM)Godless Wrote:  So a very common claim I get all the time from Catholics is that only theologians are qualified to tell us what the bible says.

Idiocy.

"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
- A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
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27-10-2010, 09:06 AM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
Just like saying people who don't have a PhD can't discuss evolution. Pure, self serving, still steaming, straight from the cow, bullshit.

So many cats, so few good recipes.
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27-10-2010, 09:23 AM
 
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
(26-10-2010 11:02 PM)Godless Wrote:  So a very common claim I get all the time from Catholics is that only theologians are qualified to tell us what the bible says.

of course in order to get anywhere with one of these people you have to overcome this initial barrier or anything you say about what's in the bible is discounted as being untrue.

I've got my own methods (which mostly work but not always) to get around this.

I'm just curious to what everyone's thoughts are or if there is a Catholic on here what your position on the matter is.

Many catholics are extremely under-educated about the bible and what their religion actually teaches, so they use the clergy excuse to disguise their ignorance.
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27-10-2010, 10:04 AM
 
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
(26-10-2010 11:02 PM)Godless Wrote:  So a very common claim I get all the time from Catholics is that only theologians are qualified to tell us what the bible says...


Translation. Hear and obey!
Reminds me of the old days when the parishioners would have to sit with their back to the Priest, because they were unworthy and uneducated so they weren't qualified to look at the emissary of God. But they were well worthy of suffering under the edicts of the church.

Atheists are qualified to discuss Theology and the Bible and any faith, because we're a minority made subject to a world wherein mythology is given just as much credence to command real life, as one's conscious choices to pursue their real life absent of that, is.

If we're going to be told by some that we're born sinners, we have every right to retort using their own fiction, and say that wouldn't be true if God wasn't creator of the imperfect human and a Sadist. Wink
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27-10-2010, 04:49 PM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
My own personal take and my favorite way to debunk this:

"Things that do not exist cannot be the cause of other things"

Claiming that bigfoot destroyed your farm when there is no proof of bigfoots existence is absurd at best and insane at worst.

Claiming a book was divinely inspired by a perfect being is silly when you have no proof the being exists. For something to cause something else it must first exist.

Also the "you can't discuss theology" argument shows a very close minded state where one is only considering one interpretation or viewpoint on something rather then examining the evidence for all views before making up one's mind about what is most likely to be true.
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28-10-2010, 01:48 AM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
(27-10-2010 02:32 AM)2buckchuck Wrote:  The notion that only clergy are qualified to discuss religion is manifestly to the clergy's advantage ... keep the believers in line by telling them not to think ... only obey the clergy! This is a form of oligarchical totalitarianism.

This sums up what I was going to post. I don't think I could word it any better.
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01-11-2010, 10:37 AM
 
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
By that rationale, Catholics should not be allowed to discuss alcohol, pornography, or birth control since they have not been educated on its uses.

Just a thought.
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