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is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
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01-11-2010, 01:40 PM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
I was a Catholic, a friend of mine who is now a theistic agnostic was once a seminarian. I suggest you direct your Catholic friends to the videos of one Edward Tarte, former Catholic priest and now an atheist.
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01-11-2010, 05:04 PM
 
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
I think discussions with Theists can be interesting. Though I admit, after having survived a "debate" of sorts at CARM forum/chat , it sometimes appears that with some Theists, to debate with an atheist means that atheist is trying to talk them out of their belief.

One of the most frustrating encounters I've had in awhile. Chat link Interesting place, very friendly, lots of fun.
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02-11-2010, 01:24 AM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
(01-11-2010 10:37 AM)tjenkins_1983 Wrote:  By that rationale, Catholics should not be allowed to discuss alcohol, pornography, or birth control since they have not been educated on its uses.

Most of them probably don't, which is why most of them don't know how to deal with those things.
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02-11-2010, 02:41 AM
 
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
(01-11-2010 05:04 PM)GassyKitten Wrote:  I think discussions with Theists can be interesting. Though I admit, after having survived a "debate" of sorts at CARM forum/chat , it sometimes appears that with some Theists, to debate with an atheist means that atheist is trying to talk them out of their belief.
It seems inevitable that any debate between an atheist and a theist is going to take on this character. Although "instant conversions" at the end of such a conversation are unlikely on either side, the nature of the content atheists use to make a case against theism can always been seen as "trying to talk theists out of their belief". I don't see how that could be prevented ... when you make a case against theism, it seems quite likely the theists would see your argument in that way. And the points made by a theist often will be seen in a similar way, I believe. But by having a civil debate (assuming it maintains that tone) on this topic means that both parties can benefit from the discussion.

The few theists who've participated in this forum have, in my experience, always proven to be closed-minded. They cannot look at the arguments without their god-colored glasses. I have no wish to convert anyone to my way of seeing things, especially if they choose to remain impervious to the points I'm making. But a civil debate is enjoyable, even if I have no hope of converting someone.

Despite the unlikeliness of instant conversions, the nature of a good debate is that it can plant seeds in the minds of both participants that they might contemplate and perhaps come to "flower" (either way) later.
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02-11-2010, 06:45 AM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
I can tell you though it is damn satisfying when you get through and the person does genuinely change their mind. It's only happened twice but I can honestly say that it's why I'll continue to campaign for reasonable thought for as long as I live.

There is nothing quite like seeing someone genuinely throw off the security blanket and mean it when you get through to them.
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04-11-2010, 10:54 PM
 
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
I think with a topic like religion it should be open to anyone who wants to discuss it... The entire "you have to be a believer before you can talk about it" is completely absurd... I enjoy learning about other religions and beliefs because it interest me and helps me learn more about the world i live in, and if i read something that is contrary to what i believe in then I would have no problem talking about it or discussing it.

To the people who say you can't discuss it basically until you believe it i would ask them do you buy a car before test driving it because the sales person said "Hey this car is the true car you need, now just sign your life over right here and buy this car right now, before i actually can talk about this car"

Not the best analogy but gets the point i think... lol

But it gets even better.....
Not only is it do not discuss it if you don't believe it, but I actually brought up the fact that i have been researching other beliefs, and actually told my Southern baptist father that i listened to the thinking atheist podcast. I was met with "You should not be listing to that filth, nor filling your head with other religions. To be a true believer you must study the bible and only the bible and surround yourself with only Christians and there talks and beliefs."

So apparently do not learn about anything else once your in but also you can't talk to others or learn what others have to say about your beliefs.

Anyone else thinks this sounds like someone who is worried that his religion is weak and any question to it could cause it to fall?
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05-11-2010, 01:18 AM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
Why do you think it was a sin to eat from the tree of knowledge? To keep people in the dark so that the only source of light is what they tell you. If you learn something else, they lose control over you. And yes, his religion is that weak. So is his god because his god can send you to hell but can't prove to you he exists, or tell you what he wants from you. His god also needs humans to fight his battles for him. What a crock of doo-doo?
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06-11-2010, 01:13 AM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
Isn't an all knowing all powerful God strong enough to admit that he made an imperfect being? If he is neither humble enough to admit a mistake and cruel enough to give ultimate punishment to others for his mistakes how can he be loving?
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06-11-2010, 08:21 PM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
(06-11-2010 01:13 AM)Godless Wrote:  Isn't an all knowing all powerful God strong enough to admit that he made an imperfect being?
Yes an all powerful god would be strong enough. That rules out the god of the bible, allah and every other god that I have heard of as being all powerful.
(06-11-2010 01:13 AM)Godless Wrote:  If he is neither humble enough to admit a mistake and cruel enough to give ultimate punishment to others for his mistakes how can he be loving?
He isn't loving. He is like an abusive parent who beats his children mercilessly and claims he does it because he loves them.
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06-11-2010, 10:34 PM
RE: is it fair and accurate to discuss theology as an atheist?
I'm glad you enjoy that one. I'm hoping to stick it in the book I'm writing on the matter. The question of this thread is indeed one of the chapters I really want to get to stick.

If people don't think you have a right to question theology in the first place it's a little hard to get the rest of what your saying to stick.
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