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12-10-2016, 01:31 PM
kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
Christians love to go on and on about all the supposed good there religion does setting aside the promotion of homophobia,Anti science,Anti medicine,ideas the worst offence of Christianity is that charity and kindness make no sense in there religion

Kindness makes no sense because Christians everyone is a debased monster then why should one debased monster be kind to another debased monster.I often stand in awe how Christians don't look at everyone with the contempt of a rapist.

Charity also makes no sense after all Jesus himself said there will always be destitute people. So there kindness according to there own god is in vain .This is made all the stranger when one considers that if the people there not helping died they would be in heaven were no such charity is needed .And lastly if Jesus is coming back to make the world perfect(contradicting the first stance) then charity again makes no sense .

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12-10-2016, 02:21 PM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
While I appreciate the sentiment expressed by your post, I think it paints Christian with a way to wide brush.

1) While it's true that Christianity has a long history of promotion of homophobia, sexism and scientific ignorance up to our days, many Christian chose not to follow or believe those specific things. In recent years, the largest Christian denomination have relaxed their stance on homosexuals and women. Today, this form of bigotry seems to be more associated with fundamentalists than the majority of Christians

2) The existence of a theological concept such as primordial sin and its exact nature (the thing that makes human monsters) is contencious in several Christian denomination. It's also good to know that this magic taint is erased by the magic power of baptism according to most Christian denomination.

3) Its not because a goal can never be achieved (or is very unlikely to be achieved anytime soon) that we shouldn't aspire to it. Fighting against one's nature is a core concept of most religion and secular philosophical schools and Christianity as whole doesn't make exception. Charity isn't vain, it's bold (and also necessary since charity is one of the cardinal Christian virtue).

4) The core value at the heart of all Christian denomination is hope. That's why Christianity is so diverse and contradictory. It rised to power by selling hope to those who had none in the form of divine justice and retribution. That those who were crushed by the rich and powerful would be retributed and rewarded in the end if they remained good, generous, polite pacific people; that they would enjoy and live prosperity at some point. Hope doesn't make sense. Its fundamentally illogical, frequently irrational and sometime stupid, counter productive and foolish. Yet, it has an enormous power of seduction that explained the strength of the Christian narrative and its hold on society even while its foundation are exposed as false. If you could kill hope with the truth, it wouldn't exist in the first place.

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12-10-2016, 02:26 PM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
(12-10-2016 01:31 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  Christians love to go on and on about all the supposed good there religion does setting aside the promotion of homophobia,Anti science,Anti medicine,ideas the worst offence of Christianity is that charity and kindness make no sense in there religion

Kindness makes no sense because Christians everyone is a debased monster then why should one debased monster be kind to another debased monster.I often stand in awe how Christians don't look at everyone with the contempt of a rapist.

Someones probably been hanging out with too many calvinist lately, regardless. Pointing out that we're selfish creatures, is not the same as suggesting we ought to be selfish creatures. Nor is recognizing that one is debased, a suggestion that we ought to remain debased. It's to indicate that in order for us to live right, to pursue what is good, we must recognize our moral frailty, and failing, those selfish desires and inclinations that cloud our pursuits.

The debased man in me, when seeing the hungry crack addict, feels contempt and disgust at who he is, but something else reveals that this is not the way I ought to be, that I should desire to help him, to feel compassion and empathy towards him, even when I can't muster it.

Quote:Charity also makes no sense after all Jesus himself said there will always be destitute people. So there kindness according to there own god is in vain .This is made all the stranger when one considers that if the people there not helping died they would be in heaven were no such charity is needed .And lastly if Jesus is coming back to make the world perfect(contradicting the first stance) then charity again makes no sense .

No, the christian in this regard doesn't see his own desire to help others, as to be a part of some grand project, doesn't help the poor, because he believes it would end poverty, because the later is a pipe dream. He helps the poor out of genuine concern and love for the poor, not for the pursuit of a grand project, or dead humanistic visions.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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08-11-2017, 12:09 AM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
Well, I appreciate the content in your post, but Kindness and charity work for those only who thinks that working on a charity makes them feel happy. Though it makes no sense in the religion, but donating to the one and spending time with the less fortunate people make it feels you better to work for a great cause. Even if someone like to contribute to the mission humanitaire society, then one should definitely go for it for helping people.
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08-11-2017, 04:10 AM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
(12-10-2016 01:31 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  Christians love to go on and on about all the supposed good there religion does setting aside the promotion of homophobia,Anti science,Anti medicine,ideas the worst offence of Christianity is that charity and kindness make no sense in there religion

It has a lot of PR merits. Allowing the Christians who are inclined to do charity-work do so, helps the church to claim credit for yet another act of natural human decency. Which in turn helps frauds like not-really-a-Dr Ravi who argues - to the ecstatic applause of millions - that Christianity is true because it is the kindest religion. Kindness=Truth=God=Purpose=Jesus=Love=Bible
Or something like that.

It's one of many deceptions - made possible by genuinely good people within the ranks of the religious - to obscure the emptiness of religion itself.

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08-11-2017, 04:43 AM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
I've come to think of most religions as the "you are being watched" syndrome. IE, people behave better when they think somebody is watching them. In this case, it compels hardcore theists to not doign anything bad, but often perfom acts of charity in a "see, I'm good...are you watching god?" kind of way.

Basically the same thing kids do around Christmas time, but all year around.
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08-11-2017, 08:11 PM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
Jesus, as depicted in the Gospels, is essentially a millenarian preacher (like John the Baptist) imploring his followers to purify themselves for the Last Judgment. It isn't so much about being 'good for goodness sake' it is all about end-of-the-world hokum. As you say, Christian morality makes no sense.

And yes, it makes me laugh when some liberals depict Jesus as being some sort of tolerant proto-hippie. Because hippies are famous for being sexually puritanical and for saying things like: "And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."

Of course, in contemporary American conservative Christianity, helping people is essentially a sin, the poor are the most evil people in the world. Jesus is a figurehead, they more typically worship Ayn Rand and Donald Trump.

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08-11-2017, 11:01 PM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
(12-10-2016 01:31 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  Kindness makes no sense because Christians everyone is a debased monster then why should one debased monster be kind to another debased monster.I often stand in awe how Christians don't look at everyone with the contempt of a rapist.

I've never attended a church service, but I have a relative who goes twice a week. Sometimes she gives us a summary of the sermon on Facebook. One of her favorite messages from her minister is that she is to "see the face of God in everyone you meet." This includes non-Christians.

So your idea that Christians consider everyone to be a "debased monster" seems a little overstated.

(12-10-2016 01:31 PM)OrdoSkeptica Wrote:  Charity also makes no sense after all Jesus himself said there will always be destitute people. So there kindness according to there own god is in vain .This is made all the stranger when one considers that if the people there not helping died they would be in heaven were no such charity is needed .And lastly if Jesus is coming back to make the world perfect(contradicting the first stance) then charity again makes no sense .

Trying to help other people makes no sense because there will always be more people you can't help? Does this make sense to you?

Also probably best to keep in mind that "charity" doesn't only mean giving money. The word is an inadequate translation of "caritas," which is also sometimes translated as "love." I think "caritas" is similar to the Buddhist idea of "metta," which usually gets translated as "loving kindness."
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08-11-2017, 11:57 PM
RE: kindness and charity make no sense in Christianity
You get 5 Jesus points for each time you simulate kindness or charity. 15 points for burning a witch or a gay.

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09-11-2017, 12:55 AM
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(08-11-2017 11:57 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  You get 5 Jesus points for each time you simulate kindness or charity. 15 points for burning a witch or a gay.

Double points for a gay witch? Consider

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