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12-03-2014, 09:49 AM
kingschosen vs Kestrel
So kingschosen thinks god constructed a fully deterministic universe with a set of people in mind who are destined to go to heaven and praise him forever while rest of us are destined to go to hell and no way around it.

Kestrel thinks hell doesn't exist and we are all destined to go to heaven.

Which one of you is wrong?
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12-03-2014, 10:01 AM
RE: kingschosen vs Kestrel
Is "both" an option?

(12-03-2014 09:49 AM)donotwant Wrote:  So kingschosen thinks god constructed a fully deterministic universe with a set of people in mind who are destined to go to heaven and praise him forever while rest of us are destined to go to hell and no way around it.

Kestrel thinks hell doesn't exist and we are all destined to go to heaven.

Which one of you is wrong?

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12-03-2014, 10:03 AM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2014 10:14 AM by donotwant.)
RE: kingschosen vs Kestrel
Well I want to hear their opinions. Because one says I will go to heaven and NOT go to hell. Another says I will go to hell and NOT go to heaven. One absolutely has to be wrong. I want to know which one.
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12-03-2014, 12:43 PM
RE: kingschosen vs Kestrel
Both are wrong. There is no evidence of any kind of 'afterlife', nor of any credible mechanism for postmortem preservation of identity.

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12-03-2014, 01:21 PM
RE: kingschosen vs Kestrel
(12-03-2014 09:49 AM)donotwant Wrote:  ... Kestrel thinks hell doesn't exist and we are all destined to go to heaven.
Which one of you is wrong?

Rolleyes

Ok.

First:
I never stated nor do I believe that everyone is "destined to go to heaven."
My position is that there is no punishment or destruction, eternally or otherwise for any human being and that a resurrection will include everyone.

B:
Since Kingschosen's position is not based upon free will or individual choice, I have no beef with him. We disagree on a few fundamental points, but so what? His beliefs and conclusions are his own and are none of my business.

Trois:
What the fuck?
You've had little to no success in getting theists to debate you, so your plan B is to attempt to incite a conversation between believers, so you can vicariously engage by sniping from the side lines as it pleases you.

I shan't be providing that particular satisfaction for you, today.

Keep after Miss Meng! You may find a way to crack that nut.

Thanks for keeping me in mind.

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12-03-2014, 01:25 PM
RE: kingschosen vs Kestrel
(12-03-2014 01:21 PM)Kestrel Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:49 AM)donotwant Wrote:  ... Kestrel thinks hell doesn't exist and we are all destined to go to heaven.
Which one of you is wrong?

Rolleyes

Ok.

First:
I never stated nor do I believe that everyone is "destined to go to heaven."
My position is that there is no punishment or destruction, eternally or otherwise for any human being and that a resurrection will include everyone.

B:
Since Kingschosen's position is not based upon free will or individual choice, I have no beef with him. We disagree on a few fundamental points, but so what? His beliefs and conclusions are his own and are none of my business.

Trois:
What the fuck?
You've had little to no success in getting theists to debate you, so your plan B is to attempt to incite a conversation between believers, so you can vicariously engage by sniping from the side lines as it pleases you.

I shan't be providing that particular satisfaction for you, today.

Keep after Miss Meng! You may find a way to crack that nut.

Thanks for keeping me in mind.

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LMAO yeah........ I dunno Kestrel - I've not really noticed you and KC at odds. But maybe I missed it. Some fundamental differences between believers is quite common.

meh........
whatcha gonna do? People be people and shit.


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12-03-2014, 01:43 PM
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(12-03-2014 01:25 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  LMAO yeah........ I dunno Kestrel - I've not really noticed you and KC at odds. But maybe I missed it.

KC seems like a fine fellow. we haven't interacted much and its always been pleasant.

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12-03-2014, 02:03 PM
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I've liked Kestrel from the start. He's awesome.

donotwant, go jump in a lake filled with mosasaurus.

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12-03-2014, 04:29 PM
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(12-03-2014 02:03 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I've liked Kestrel from the start. He's awesome.

donotwant, go jump in a lake filled with mosasaurus.

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But they are extinct he would be jumping into a river of fossils.

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14-03-2014, 08:34 AM
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(12-03-2014 04:29 PM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 02:03 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  I've liked Kestrel from the start. He's awesome.

donotwant, go jump in a lake filled with mosasaurus.

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But they are extinct he would be jumping into a river of fossils.

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