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24-02-2013, 11:02 AM
RE: morality
(24-02-2013 10:48 AM)Ghost Wrote:  ... memetic drift
... meme flow.

Peace and Love and Empathy,

memememe
That's all you think about!

So where's the empathy, huh?

Quick question:
When you said, above:
(24-02-2013 10:48 AM)Ghost Wrote:  ...
When we judge other moral codes we have two options:
1 - We can understand it in its own terms
2 - We can understand it in our own terms
...

Did you mean 'judge' or 'try to understand'?

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24-02-2013, 11:27 AM
RE: morality
(24-02-2013 11:02 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(24-02-2013 10:48 AM)Ghost Wrote:  ...
When we judge other moral codes we have two options:
1 - We can understand it in its own terms
2 - We can understand it in our own terms
...

Did you mean 'judge' or 'try to understand'?

And when you say 'moral codes', are you distinguishing that from, and how, things like manners, traditions, customs, or religious beliefs?

The difference between: it would be nice if you take off your shoes before you enter my house, versus, it's not okay to rape my daughter, versus, it's okay to rape my daughter because our god(s) said so.

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24-02-2013, 11:31 AM
RE: morality
Hey, DLJ.

I got yer fuckin empathy right here, mother fucker <grabs crotch aggressively>

Quote:Did you mean 'judge' or 'try to understand'?

Yes Cool

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That's all you think about!
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But what if they aren't?

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Sweet!


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24-02-2013, 11:33 AM
RE: morality
Hey, Truly.

No.

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24-02-2013, 12:41 PM
RE: morality
(24-02-2013 11:31 AM)Ghost Wrote:  Hey, DLJ.

I got yer fuckin empathy right here, mother fucker
That's epiphany.



The "standards across cultures" hypothesis fails with justifiable homicide. Another cross-cultural standard is the association of heroism with victory in warfare. :/

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24-02-2013, 01:22 PM
RE: morality
(24-02-2013 10:48 AM)Ghost Wrote:  Hey, Chas.

Quote:Studies have shown that there is a shared base moral sense across cultures.

Not being a douche over here, but I'm genuinely curious about what study you're referring to and what the base morality is.

I'm curious because one thing that struck me is that memetic drift accounts for the very different traits in moral codes within the various cultures of the world. But drift implies commonality at one point; otherwise moral codes developed independently of one another, which would be an incredible discovery in its own right. But, we know, from mitochondrial DNA testing, that all humans alive today descend from about 150 humans that migrated out of Africa 55 000 years ago. We know that 55 000 years ago, these people were fully modern humans with full syntactical language and culture. Thus, it seems obvious to me, any similarities in cultures existing today, including this "base moral sense", can be traced back to the cultural practices of that original group of humans and that any differences can be explained neatly by memetic drift; furthermore, any similarities between cultures that are not held by all cultures can be explained neatly by meme flow.

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I didn't say 'base morality', I said 'base moral sense'. And there have been some cross-cultural studies of this type.

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24-02-2013, 01:30 PM
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Hey, Chas.

I see, said the blind man. Thanks for the link.

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