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19-07-2015, 04:56 AM
RE: my introduction
Lots of food for thought there.

There are many topics that would make good conversation in threads in other sections.


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19-07-2015, 06:21 AM (This post was last modified: 19-07-2015 06:32 AM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: my introduction
(19-07-2015 03:14 AM)thinkerman Wrote:  As Dr Henry Morris (father of the Creation Science Movement) said (to paraphrase him), if evolution were actually empirically demonstrable by observation and replicable experiments, every rational person would accept it as fact, like we do that the earth is round, or the Law of Biogensis - only life come from life (not spontaneous generation of life), or them Periodic Table and general laws of physics. What is often lost in the creation/evolution debate that impinges on everyone's worldview, is that both Genesis by supernatural creation or naturalistic evolution are forensic or historic science, and neither can be proven by empirical scientific methods because those original processes are not operating today but only in the prehistoric past.
The scientific facts are available to both creationist and evolutionist camps; what differs is the a prior assumptions and untestable presuppositions which govern how each group interprets those facts.

First and foremost, I am sorry for the condition of your loved one, and hope the future holds better times for you both. The helplessness and pain of watching a loved one go through something of a medical nature is hard to do, I hope you find time to rest and keep yourself positive, as you well know, you have to take care of yourself, so you can take care of your loved ones.

Now as for your post...

Great stuff for discussion, start as thread somewhere Smile

By the way, the fact of evolution is observable, falsifiable, and predicatable, making it true. Unlike the genie creator of all life theory. Fossil record doesnt support instant life....and if life can only beget life, than what created the creator? All great subjects, start a thread, I will endeavor to participate. Smartass

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19-07-2015, 06:25 AM
RE: my introduction
(19-07-2015 03:14 AM)thinkerman Wrote:  Hello again! I may not be contributing to The Thinking Atheist often because I am a nurse taking care of my handicapped wife 24/7 365 days/year and I can only get onto the computer to participate in your forum when she is asleep.

Sorry to hear of your troubles.

Hug

Wishing you and yours all the very best.

As a Moderator indicated, your following stuff really could do with its own thread in a different section. Smile

(19-07-2015 03:14 AM)thinkerman Wrote:  
I have never been an atheist in the usual sense of the word of not having a conviction that a supernatural creative entity called God exists and can be perceived by His creatures as self evident and in some cases very personal. I was born in 1950 before school prayer and public prayer was hijacked by the ACLU types. My parents and relatives accepted a priori that God was self existing from eternity and, since we were protestants, God was the diety who revealed himself in the Bible - a monotheistic/triune personal God.

However, I was a Christian Humanist without knowing what that was until I reached halfway through college (Ohio State University, 1970-1974). Christian Humanism is, for those unfamiliar with it, Christian flavored Humanism, with Humanism being the core belief system mixed with incompatible parts of Chistianity, like oil in water. The person afflicted with irrational admixture is probably unaware of this internal conflict of ideas, as I was.

My journey of enlightenment, if you will, began when I read Dr Henry Morris's book, Scientific Creationism and The Genesis Record. I began to see that real scientists who were honest modified their understanding of reality as they investigated the natural word using the scientific method. I also came to understand that some dishonest scientists could even be bigots by blatant discriminating against fellow scientists and forming legal/political entities (ACLU or NSF) to suppress opposing views - -not for sound scientific reasons but for deeply held religious or philosophical reasons. As you well know, most of the founding fathers of modern science accepted the presupposition that God exists and He created the natural world with order and laws which can be investigated and described using the scientific method. That began to change with evolutionary philosophy through Darwinism. Thus the current clash of Creationism vsersus Evolutionism with the latter seeming to have the winning scientifc arguments. But, the widespread bigotry among many leaders in Evolution camp became more apparent as they succeeded in shutting down or discriminated against scientists who disagreed with their viewpoint and worldview. Case in point: Dr Jerry Bergman, who was an award winning teacher and researcher at Bowling Green University who was rejected by the evolutionist professors from getting tenure after they found out that he had written extracurricular materials about creation science. Dr Bergman has written a booklet documenting many other cases of this bigotry. He teaches at another university in northern Ohio.

In my own experience while attending OSU, I found that the book banners threw out a number of books on creation scientists which I had attempted to donate to the OSU main library. I coauthored a article in the OSU student paper, The lantern which listed bullets of scientific evidence supporting creation science and describing it as no more religious than evolution science. Two of my fomer Anthropology teachers came out of the woodwork, so to speak, in fierce opposition to that newpaper article. One teacher I learne,d from a letter he sent to me, was a warlock who belonged to the Church of Anthropology and another wicthcraft religious society in Africa. He threatened to psychometamorphize me into the body of a seal. The other woman teacher turned out to be Wiccan witch who worships nature. It also stirred up the ACLU and some activist athiests who threatened our local Columbus Ohio school board with lawsuits if they continued to allow science teachers the option of presenting both evolutuon and creation science arguments to students.

The anger of my former Anthropology teachers and others (skeptics, atheists, agnostics, etc) is primarily directed as my assertion that scientists who believe in God and especially the Biblical account of Genesis are true scientists; and, that modern science was not based upon evolution ideology but on the axiomatic belief that a supernatural intelligent designer God established natural order and laws that can be explored and described in an empirical, objective method. Both are indisputable facts by any reaonable person. It appears to me, that the meaning of "science" and "scientists" were hijacked in a misinformation campaign by evolutionist apologists,which continues today, and has been institutionalized with the help of courts and big monied, social change agents. By attempting to control these definitions and suppressing any challenges, they hypocritcally claim scientists and teachers have academic and constitutional freedfom of speech and exchange of ideas, but in practice they fight to deny any opponents of their worldview that same feedom.

As Dr Henry Morris (father of the Creation Science Movement) said (to paraphrase him), if evolution were actually empirically demonstrable by observation and replicable experiments, every rational person would accept it as fact, like we do that the earth is round, or the Law of Biogensis - only life come from life (not spontaneous generation of life), or them Periodic Table and general laws of physics. What is often lost in the creation/evolution debate that impinges on everyone's worldview, is that both Genesis by supernatural creation or naturalistic evolution are forensic or historic science, and neither can be proven by empirical scientific methods because those original processes are not operating today but only in the prehistoric past.

The scientific facts are available to both creationist and evolutionist camps; what differs is the a prior assumptions and untestable presuppositions which govern how each group interprets those facts.

Sorry for this commentary being so long.

Again, wishing you and yours all the very best. Smile
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