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29-01-2014, 07:32 PM
RE: only Catholics are true BELIEVERS
(29-01-2014 07:28 PM)RC_DAVE333 Wrote:  
(29-01-2014 04:53 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Can I just ask RC_DAVE333 when exactly did the true Roman Catholic church start in the form that you know it today?

The true Catholic Church began in 33 AD right after Jesus had risen from death, when Jesus told his Apostles to water baptize and preach the Gospel to all nations.

The false sect in Rome today that claims to be "Catholic", has actually abandoned the true Holy Catholic Church back in the 1960s. Rome today is that new false protestant religion which was created in the 1960s from that Vatican II council that today claims to be "Catholic", but is not.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”




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29-01-2014, 08:10 PM
RE: only Catholics are true BELIEVERS
(29-01-2014 04:09 PM)RC_DAVE333 Wrote:  I am indeed protesting against that false Vatican II council because that council diabolically attempted to re-interpret and change past dogmas of the Holy Catholic Church.

And how do you know the "past dogmas of the Holy Catholic Church" are not the false ones? And, ergo, that everything that comes out of your tiny mind is not wholly and completely wrong?

Something to ponder...not that you will. Consider

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29-01-2014, 08:32 PM
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(29-01-2014 10:05 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Please refrain from the obnoxious use of font size and posting the same youtube video, it's really becoming old and coming close to spam. If you have any questions, please consult our forum rules.

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29-01-2014, 08:49 PM (This post was last modified: 29-01-2014 10:31 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: only Catholics are true BELIEVERS
(29-01-2014 07:28 PM)RC_DAVE333 Wrote:  
(29-01-2014 04:53 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Can I just ask RC_DAVE333 when exactly did the true Roman Catholic church start in the form that you know it today?

The true Catholic Church began in 33 AD right after Jesus had risen from death, when Jesus told his Apostles to water baptize and preach the Gospel to all nations.

The false sect in Rome today that claims to be "Catholic", has actually abandoned the true Holy Catholic Church back in the 1960s. Rome today is that new false protestant religion which was created in the 1960s from that Vatican II council that today claims to be "Catholic", but is not.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”

The phrase "water baptized" appears nowhere in any gospel. As all heretics, he made up that shit. The Roman Church LONG before Vatican II recognized 3 forms of baptism, (water, blood, and desire). He devalues the baptism of many of his own martyrs, as he is a self-righteous idiot, and an ignorant fool, creating a scandal for his cult. Thanks for what you do, Davey-Half-a-Beast. You do more for the cause of anti-religion than most atheists. Thumbsup You have no education, and are totally incompetent to even BEGIN to discuss this topic. http://www.the-pope.com/bapodesr.html

YOUR pre-Vatican II church, venerated St. Agnes' sister, baptized in blood, for 2000 years. No water.

"Emerantiana, a Roman virgin, step-sister of the blessed Agnes, while still a catechumen, burning with faith and charity, when she vehemently rebuked idol-worshippers who were stealing from Christians, was stoned and struck down by the crowd which she had angered. Praying in her agony at the tomb of holy Agnes, baptized by her own blood which she poured forth unflinchingly for Christ, she gave up her soul to God."

"ST. AUGUSTINE, another doctor of the Church has also spoken to this issue. In his City of God he makes his position more than clear."
"Those also who die for the confession of Christ without having received the laver of regeneration are released thereby from their sins just as much as if they had been cleansed by the sacred spring of baptism. For He who said, 'Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God,' (John 3:5) by another statement made exceptions to this when He said no less comprehensively: 'Everyone... that shall confess me before men, I will confess before my Father who is in Heaven.' (Matthew 10:32)." Davey thinks he knows more than Augustine.

You are an ignorant troll, Davey-Half-a-Beast,, AND you have just been PROVEN 100% wrong, by your OWN standards, and YOUR own church's "doctors" and saints. For 2000 years YOUR church venerated the thief (who was unbaptized, and to whom Jebus said "This DAY you will be with me in paradise"), and countless other martyrs, baptized in blood, as saints. It would be REALLY NICE, if you people actually KNEW something about your own cult.

I see you also think you know MORE than your "savior", Davey-Half-a-Beast :
Matt. 19:16-22, “And behold, one came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.

He said NOTHING about joining your cult. Davey-Half-a-Beast is not a Christian.

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29-01-2014, 09:51 PM
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30-01-2014, 04:27 AM
RE: only Catholics are true BELIEVERS
(29-01-2014 07:28 PM)RC_DAVE333 Wrote:  
(29-01-2014 04:53 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Can I just ask RC_DAVE333 when exactly did the true Roman Catholic church start in the form that you know it today?

The true Catholic Church began in 33 AD right after Jesus had risen from death, when Jesus told his Apostles to water baptize and preach the Gospel to all nations.

The false sect in Rome today that claims to be "Catholic", has actually abandoned the true Holy Catholic Church back in the 1960s. Rome today is that new false protestant religion which was created in the 1960s from that Vatican II council that today claims to be "Catholic", but is not.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.”

That would be the same pope Eugene who's CV is as follows?

Born out of an incestuous relationship between his real father Angelo Correr and his sister. He was born and raised in Venice to a rich merchant family, a Correr on his mother's side.

in 1407, at the age of twenty-four he was appointed by his father ("uncle") Pope Gregory XII (1406–15), as Bishop of Siena and took his vows to become a priest soon after.

However, the political class objected to the twenty-four year old being their bishop having never been a priest, so his uncle Pope Gregory XII instead promoted him and appointed him papal treasurer, protonotary, Cardinal Priest of San Marco and San Clemente.

While belonging to a rival family to the Colonna nobility of Pope Martin V (Ottone Colonna) (1417-31), Cardinal Condulmer proved himself useful to Pope Martin and retained significant power under his reign including ensuring he would be the next Pope.

As Cardinal, he fathered several children including at least one child (Pietro Barbo) through an incestuous relationship with his own sister who would later become Pope Paul II.

Upon taking the Papal Throne in 1431, Eugene IV took immediate and bloodthirsty steps against the rival Colonna relations of his predecessor who had rewarded his numerous clan with castles, lands and titles.

However, the Colonna managed to gather the support of Romans against the Papacy and a truce was hastily established.

Eugene then focused his sights on removing the power of the Council of Basel, that by default of the Council of Constance in 1415 effectively had superior authority. But in December of 1433 he was forced into a compromise given his former Papal militia chief Niccolò Fortebraccio and the troops of Filippo Maria Visconti led by Niccolò Piccinino had invaded the Papal states in a move engineered by his atch-enemy the Colonna.

The Colonna family then established a nominal Republic in the city of Rome in opposition to Pope Eugene, forcing him to escape the city in disguise.

With the help of the bloodthirsty Giovanni Vitelleschi, the militant Bishop of Recanati, the city of Rome was returned to obedience to Eugene by October 1434 after thousands were slaughtered, tortured and burned. The Colonna temselves were forced into obedience after thousands of men, women and children were slaughtered on orders of Pope Eugene at their stronghold of the ancient city of Palestrina, 20 miles East of Rome.

By April 1436, the new Papal militia chiefs Francesco Sforza and Vitelleschi had reconquered much of the Papal state land that had been taken.

However, the climate against Pope Eugene in Rome on account of his brutality eventually forced him to re-establish his Papal Court in Bologna. There he entertained himself by creating a court full of prostitutes and villains until he returned to Rome seven years later in 1443.

However in late 1437, the Council of Basel broke its previous treaty with the Pope and sought his resignation following the bloodshed in retaking the Papal states lands and brutality against the Colonna supporters in Rome.

Eugene refused and excommunicated the members of the Council. In response, the Council deposed Eugene as a heretic in June 1439 and in November of that year with the support of the royals of Germany and France elected Amadeus VIII, Duke of Savoy as Pope Felix V.

In spite of his character and lack of skill in diplomacy and politics, the combination of disease (plague) and the increasing cruelty of the Ottomans, Eugene was effectively handed a temporary union with the Eastern Orthodox Church in 1439 which increased his status.

The total failure of Pope Felix V to be effective in anyway also led to support returning to Eugene, piece by piece until German Emperor Frederick III of Hapsburg sent his most senior political advisor Aeneas Sylvius Piccolomini (later Pius II) to broker a peace with Eugene in 1442.

Pope Eugene IV is also more famously known today as supposedly one of the Popes who "wrote against" slavery in the Papal Bull Sicut Dudum. In truth, the indisputable historic facts are the complete opposite and Eugene is credited as one of the key architects in enabling the legal framework for international slave trade by Portugal and Spain and later other European powers.

The Bull Sicut Dudum actually refers to not enslaving converts so that the Catholic Church has enough local christian serfs (slaves of the church) to tend church lands and buildings. The Bull has nothing to do with anti-slavery but appealling to Spanish slave traders not to over compete with the church.

He is the last recorded pope to be evicted from Rome by the Roman population.

He died in February 1447 and was succeeded by Pope Felix V (1439-1449).

Most Evil Crimes

List of most evil crimes Type Year Crime Of establishing an unlawful enterprise for the purpose of crime : (1435) That Pope Eugene IV with full authority as Supreme Pontiff of Christianity did knowingly and deliberately establish the enterprise of international sanctioned and “legal” slave trade beginning with Africa through the Papal Bulls of Sicut Dudum (1435) and Illius Qui (1442). Furthermore, that Pope Eugenius IV and the Roman Catholic Church in creating a “lawful” framework for the international trade of slaves beginning with Africa did establish a formal license system giving authority to both territories and numbers of slaves taken according to a schedule of fees paid to the Roman Catholic Church. Of moral depravity for the purpose of profiting and controlling the international slave trade : (1435) That Pope Eugene IV, Sicut Dudum (1435) Condemns taking christians as slaves, but not non-christians and those who refuse to become christians. Of publishing false statements (1435 onwards): That the Roman Catholic Church actually use this pro-slavery Papal Bull of Sicut Dudum (1435) to claim the church was “against” slavery in a perverted falsity.
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30-01-2014, 09:43 AM
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(29-01-2014 04:09 PM)RC_DAVE333 Wrote:  
(29-01-2014 12:04 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Yes, YOU are protesting. Vatican II didn't change any Catholic doctrine.


I am indeed protesting against that false Vatican II council because that council diabolically attempted to re-interpret and change past dogmas of the Holy Catholic Church. But since that Vatican II council was not a Catholic council, then I'm not a protestant heretic. Besides, posting a link from EWTN in defense of that council doesn't help your argument, but instead only hurts it. EWTN is known for constantly esteeming false religious sects. On one of their shows, a priests claimed God is not Catholic. Even the anti-pope in Rome recently stated in an interview that God is not Catholic and that there is no Catholic God. So they are all frauds. None of them are true Catholics at all.

Here are several sites which provide the evidence that Vatican II contradicts past Catholic dogmas......


http://www.holyromancatholicchurch.org/heresies.html

http://catholicapologetics.info/modernpr...atican.htm

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/vatican_ii.php

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/8_VaticanII.pdf
Your lack of understanding of Catholicism becomes more apparent with your every post. You really should start paying more attention to sources that know what they are talking about and get away from the protestor sites. Like it or not, you are doing exactly what the branches of Protestantism did that broke away directly from the Catholic church.

First, you need to learn the difference between doctrine and form. Doctrine cannot be changed. Form is just presentation and can be changed at any time. Vatican II only changed the latter. Changes to things like which language Mass is spoken in, the use of music, and the specific wording of certain prayers are not changes in doctrine. Those are form. Clarifications were made to matters of doctrine, but not changes.

Second, you seem to have forgotten that Catholicism teaches that the Pope is infallible on matters of doctrine and Pope John XXIII called the Vatican II and it was closed under Pope Paul VI. The papacy approved each item coming from Vatican II. If you believe doctrine was changed in error, then you reject the notion of infallibility which is Protestantism again.

Third, you are not only forgetting about infallibility, but also about the magisterium of the church.

My advice to you is to stop wasting so much time showing off your pride and arrogance on sites like this one and go actually talk to Catholic clergy who can help you understand what your religion is really all about. You obviously have a lot to learn about it. You don't even know the basics.

Better yet, stick around here and read with an open mind. You might learn a few things that make a whole more sense than the crap your church teaches.

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30-01-2014, 07:13 PM (This post was last modified: 30-01-2014 07:18 PM by RC_DAVE333.)
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(30-01-2014 09:43 AM)Impulse Wrote:  .......First, you need to learn the difference between doctrine and form. Doctrine cannot be changed. Form is just presentation and can be changed at any time. Vatican II only changed the latter. Changes to things like which language Mass is spoken in, the use of music, and the specific wording of certain prayers are not changes in doctrine.,....

This again proves how lazy you atheists are. Not only does your lack of faith condemn you to the lake of fire, but also your slothfulness is a mortal sin that causes a soul to be casts into the pains and torments of hell. I posted the links which cite all the documents from that false Vatican II council which contradicts Dogmatic infallible teachings of the Church. For example, Vatican II contradicted the Church's infallible teaching about 'Religious Liberty'. Before Vatican II the Catholic Church had infallibly condemned the concept of 'religious liberty', and yet Vatican II supports 'religious liberty'. That is a complete contradiction and there are many others cited in those links I posted, if you would just take the time to actually read it.
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30-01-2014, 07:18 PM
RE: only Catholics are true BELIEVERS
(30-01-2014 07:13 PM)RC_DAVE333 Wrote:  
(30-01-2014 09:43 AM)Impulse Wrote:  .......First, you need to learn the difference between doctrine and form. Doctrine cannot be changed. Form is just presentation and can be changed at any time. Vatican II only changed the latter. Changes to things like which language Mass is spoken in, the use of music, and the specific wording of certain prayers are not changes in doctrine.,....

This again proves how lazy you atheists are. Not only does your lack of faith condemn you to the lake of fire, but also your slothfulness is a mortal sin that causes a soul to be casts into the pains and torments of hell. I posted the links which cite all the documents from that false Vatican II council which contradicts Dogmatic infallible teachings of the Church. For example, Vatican II contradicted the Church's infallible teaching about 'Religious Liberty'. Before Vatican II the Catholic Church had infallibly condemned the concept of 'religious liberty', and yet Vatican II supports 'religious liberty'. That is a complete contradiction and there are many others cited in those links I posted, if you would just take the time to actually read it.

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30-01-2014, 07:26 PM
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(30-01-2014 07:13 PM)RC_DAVE333 Wrote:  
(30-01-2014 09:43 AM)Impulse Wrote:  .......First, you need to learn the difference between doctrine and form. Doctrine cannot be changed. Form is just presentation and can be changed at any time. Vatican II only changed the latter. Changes to things like which language Mass is spoken in, the use of music, and the specific wording of certain prayers are not changes in doctrine.,....

This again proves how lazy you atheists are. Not only does your lack of faith condemn you to the lake of fire, but also your slothfulness is a mortal sin that causes a soul to be casts into the pains and torments of hell. I posted the links which cite all the documents from that false Vatican II council which contradicts Dogmatic infallible teachings of the Church. For example, Vatican II contradicted the Church's infallible teaching about 'Religious Liberty'. Before Vatican II the Catholic Church had infallibly condemned the concept of 'religious liberty', and yet Vatican II supports 'religious liberty'. That is a complete contradiction and there are many others cited in those links I posted, if you would just take the time to actually read it.

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