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03-12-2014, 01:09 AM
pope wants just distribution of global wealth for the poor and hungry
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/20...92132.html

and how much will the catholic church give away ?
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03-12-2014, 01:20 AM
RE: pope wants just distribution of global wealth for the poor and hungry
I'll believe it when I see it.
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03-12-2014, 01:22 AM
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(03-12-2014 01:09 AM)Ace Wrote:  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/20...92132.html

and how much will the catholic church give away ?

"Just" is the operative wiggle word there, as obviously (to them) their wealth is justified as they are God's de facto representatives on Earth. Dodgy

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03-12-2014, 01:31 AM
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Anybody know the exact figure? The Vatican's yearly donation to charities, I mean, I wouldn't expect it to be zero but I can't find anywhere where it's been disclosed.

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03-12-2014, 01:34 AM
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(03-12-2014 01:31 AM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  Anybody know the exact figure? The Vatican's yearly donation to charities, I mean, I wouldn't expect it to be zero but I can't find anywhere where it's been disclosed.

I'd like to see their holdings.
Including real estate.
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03-12-2014, 01:52 AM
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^I know right?

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03-12-2014, 05:39 AM
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(03-12-2014 01:34 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(03-12-2014 01:31 AM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  Anybody know the exact figure? The Vatican's yearly donation to charities, I mean, I wouldn't expect it to be zero but I can't find anywhere where it's been disclosed.

I'd like to see their holdings.
Including real estate.

Throughout history the Vatican has tried many tricks to convince, impress, and make money from people. They’ve employed the world’s best architects, artists and composers to create the impression of their church’s grandeur with overpowering edifices, music that can move one to tears, and stupendous sculptures and beautiful paintings. These things may be magnificent, and the world would be a poorer place without them, yet they add nothing to the veracity of the bible, or to validate God’s existence. Some of the world’s most fraudulent fiends own palaces and awesome art collections. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNbecu1V6I).

Ever since the Middle Ages, the Vatican’s worldwide properties and other investments have surpassed the scale of nearly every other business in the world. Its finances are very complex and not transparent, because the Vatican bank isn’t required to pay tax or fill out a tax return. The money comes in from the world’s share markets, businesses, government taxes, thousands of dioceses, religious foundations, and fiduciaries linked to the papal state. Some commentators estimate the liquid assets to be worth over 50 billion US dollars, and that’s very likely a conservative figure. There are also probably hundreds of billions of dollars hoarded away in real estate and works of art. That, in my opinion, is not excusable from an organization preaching charity and humility. (http://www.cai.org/bible-studies/vatican-billions, http://www.chick.com/reading/books/153/153_10.asp, http://www.excatholicsforchrist.com/arti...ances.htm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di04_vKfqNw).

It’s a remarkable fact that much of the enormous wealth the Vatican owns today was originally obtained from taxpaying Italian and German citizens in the 1930’s and 40’s. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat, http://historyannex.com/20th-century-Eur...rds.html). People in those days often listened to priests, and were told how to vote. The Vatican got into bed with Mussolini and Hitler in deals that swapped cash for endorsement. This is one of the reasons the Vatican was loath to criticize Hitler. It’s been argued the Second World War may never have happened without the Vatican’s support for these fascist regimes.

After the war the Vatican helped hundreds of key Nazis escape Germany in return for large cash payments. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(World_War_II).
Ever since the 1950’s, right up to present times, the Vatican bank has had to fight off accusations of money laundering and deals with shady characters such as men from the Mafia.
(http://www.voxfux.com/features/vaticanmurder.html). Pope Francis is allegedly trying to do something about this (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23621235).

Today’s Catholics should be aware of one scam that has put much money in the Vatican’s coffers: canonizing saints. Throughout history the grounds for beatification have been theatrical. Kings, queens, the nobility, warlords and soldiers were sanctified as saints whenever it suited the Vatican. Ignacio de Loloya with his army of Jesuits, Dimingo de Guzman and his Dominican friars, and Jose M Escriva, who founded Opus Dei, each started societies that helped fill Catholic coffers, and have been beatified for their efforts, as if a hypothetical god could care less about a corporation’s annual profit!

The late Pope John Paul II was history’s greatest saint-maker; 484 new saints appeared during his papacy. All other popes in the twentieth century canonized a total of only ninety-eight. New saints keep the cash registers sizzling hot. Canonizations mean television rights, free advertising, visits to shrines, book sales, memento sales etc. People like saints, even if they don’t like their priests, bishops, or their pope, and are gullible enough to subsidize the Vatican for creating them. In centuries past, the Vatican made a fortune trafficking indulgences; today they’re doing the same selling saints. John Paul moved a step closer to becoming a saint himself in 2011 when his successor attributed a miracle to him and announced that he’ll be beatified.
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03-12-2014, 05:54 AM (This post was last modified: 03-12-2014 06:24 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: pope wants just distribution of global wealth for the poor and hungry
(03-12-2014 01:31 AM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  Anybody know the exact figure? The Vatican's yearly donation to charities, I mean, I wouldn't expect it to be zero but I can't find anywhere where it's been disclosed.

It's called "Peter's Pence" :
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...harts.html

Not sure what the art is valued at, (and a lot of that is not "moveable" like the frescos on the walls and ceilings), but for example 1 Raphael painting would be worth many many millions, and they have a number of those, and the historical value of a lot of the things in the Vatican Library is priceless, (like the Papal Bull excommunicating Henry VIII). The real estate has been estimated at between 15-25 billion dollars, and that's probably low. For example the villa where the pope goes for the summer, itself is worth quite a bit, and in no way a "church". There are countless gold "artifacts" (mitres, crosses, liturgical vessels, vestments, monstrances, croziers, jeweled crowns), that just sit in glass cases, hidden away not even on display. The reaction of many tourists (when I was there a couple times) who see it all for the first time is "it's embarrassing".

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03-12-2014, 06:52 AM
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Speaking of Catholics and money...I got a letter the other day from the high school I graduated from. Actually it was specifically from a classmate so I thought maybe it was an invitation for our 40th reunion next summer....noooooooo - they are trying to raise 6.5 million dollars for the school system and want a donation. Like they aren't hitting me up for money about every three months already.

Nice of them to send me a prayer card with the Virgin Mary on it. That's gotta be worth something, right?

They should have saved the stamp and sent it to someone who gives a shit.

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03-12-2014, 07:41 AM
RE: pope wants just distribution of global wealth for the poor and hungry
(03-12-2014 01:31 AM)Stuffed_Assumption_Meringue Wrote:  Anybody know the exact figure? The Vatican's yearly donation to charities, I mean, I wouldn't expect it to be zero but I can't find anywhere where it's been disclosed.

Catholic Charities is one of the largest charitable organization in the world. In the US, CC-USA returns about 80% of its income through charitable work. I think it is about the same world wide.

I am not sure of how the Vatican itself plays in all this. IIRC most of the church's wealth is in its real estate holdings.
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