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28-10-2016, 11:29 AM
seven states send police to reservation
Dakota Access Pipeline: Authorities start removing protesters

(CNN)The monthslong protests over the Dakota Access Pipeline came to a head on Thursday, as authorities and protesters clashed over disputed territory near the pipeline's path.

North Dakota authorities started removing roadblocks protesters set up to demarcate a camp that they say is located on tribal land. Protesters set up teepees, tents and other structures on Sunday to set down roots for a "winter camp." But authorities say they are trespassing and brought in police in riot gear to forcibly remove protesters from what they say is private property. State authorities called in reinforcements from seven other states to help, North Dakota Department of Emergency Services spokeswoman Cecily Fong said. As of Thursday afternoon, about 100 protesters remained.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/us/dakota-...index.html



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28-10-2016, 12:36 PM
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Sheriffs from my hometown / county were sent there.
This was in the local paper yesterday. Facepalm
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30-10-2016, 04:23 PM
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We are talking about a billion dollar oil pipeline here.
Key words being "billion dollar oil pipeline."

Of course those protestors were gonna get arrested/removed.
What? did people really think a bunch of Native Americans were gonna stop the construction of a billion dollar oil pipeline? Lolwut?, delusional much.

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01-11-2016, 09:09 AM
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(30-10-2016 04:23 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  We are talking about a billion dollar oil pipeline here.
Key words being "billion dollar oil pipeline."

Of course those protestors were gonna get arrested/removed.
What? did people really think a bunch of Native Americans were gonna stop the construction of a billion dollar oil pipeline? Lolwut?, delusional much.

these "billion dollar oil pipelines" is the reason the US is even involved in the middle east since WWII ended
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01-11-2016, 10:37 PM
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(01-11-2016 09:09 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(30-10-2016 04:23 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  We are talking about a billion dollar oil pipeline here.
Key words being "billion dollar oil pipeline."

Of course those protestors were gonna get arrested/removed.
What? did people really think a bunch of Native Americans were gonna stop the construction of a billion dollar oil pipeline? Lolwut?, delusional much.

these "billion dollar oil pipelines" is the reason the US is even involved in the middle east since WWII ended

No, regarding that I think the word you're looking for is greed. Greed is the reason why the US is involved in the middle east since WW2.
Why pay $150 a barrel when you can overthrow the government and install a friendly puppet that will sell it to you for $100 a barrel.

It's always about money. ALWAYS.
It's never about doing what's right or worrying about the consequences be it a country getting a fair price for THEIR resources or people not having their waterways polluted with toxic chemicals.

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01-11-2016, 11:25 PM
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The process that lead to the pipeline plan coming to fruition was not inherently unfair. Standing Rock fucked up from the beginning by having incompetent representation early on when decisions were being made, contracts had not yet been drawn up, investments and equipment not yet in place, etc. This is far from an isolated issue. The reservation system is a failed concept that essentially leads to 3rd world communities with representation that doesn't seem to give a shit. Crappy situation, but there was no scam here. The company did exactly what it was supposed to do, and now the government is obligated to enforce the law. Not doing so would set a dangerous precedent that has the potential to undermine much of what society is dependent on in this resource and rules dependent world.

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02-11-2016, 04:47 AM
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(01-11-2016 11:25 PM)yakherder Wrote:  The process that lead to the pipeline plan coming to fruition was not inherently unfair. Standing Rock fucked up from the beginning by having incompetent representation early on when decisions were being made, contracts had not yet been drawn up, investments and equipment not yet in place, etc. This is far from an isolated issue. The reservation system is a failed concept that essentially leads to 3rd world communities with representation that doesn't seem to give a shit. Crappy situation, but there was no scam here. The company did exactly what it was supposed to do, and now the government is obligated to enforce the law. Not doing so would set a dangerous precedent that has the potential to undermine much of what society is dependent on in this resource and rules dependent world.

So the people should suffer because their leadership was incompetent?
I'm not saying you're wrong, just I don't think it's as simple as "they had their chance, oh well.".

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02-11-2016, 05:19 AM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2016 05:22 AM by yakherder.)
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(02-11-2016 04:47 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(01-11-2016 11:25 PM)yakherder Wrote:  The process that lead to the pipeline plan coming to fruition was not inherently unfair. Standing Rock fucked up from the beginning by having incompetent representation early on when decisions were being made, contracts had not yet been drawn up, investments and equipment not yet in place, etc. This is far from an isolated issue. The reservation system is a failed concept that essentially leads to 3rd world communities with representation that doesn't seem to give a shit. Crappy situation, but there was no scam here. The company did exactly what it was supposed to do, and now the government is obligated to enforce the law. Not doing so would set a dangerous precedent that has the potential to undermine much of what society is dependent on in this resource and rules dependent world.

So the people should suffer because their leadership was incompetent?
I'm not saying you're wrong, just I don't think it's as simple as "they had their chance, oh well.".

It's also not as simple as "greedy oil". They did everything they were supposed to do in order to reach this point fairly and legally. They were at the point where there was nothing left to do but make their investments, hire workers, and begin the process. Now they're supposed to lose that and lay off everyone because Standing Rock changed their minds and the movement went viral?

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02-11-2016, 08:03 PM
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(02-11-2016 05:19 AM)yakherder Wrote:  
(02-11-2016 04:47 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  So the people should suffer because their leadership was incompetent?
I'm not saying you're wrong, just I don't think it's as simple as "they had their chance, oh well.".

It's also not as simple as "greedy oil". They did everything they were supposed to do in order to reach this point fairly and legally. They were at the point where there was nothing left to do but make their investments, hire workers, and begin the process. Now they're supposed to lose that and lay off everyone because Standing Rock changed their minds and the movement went viral?

It's doesn't matter if the protest only gained support after or the oil companies are doing everything right.
At the end of the day these pipelines are an environmental and health hazard towards all the communities they pass through. That's all that matters, not "protesters are only protesting because it went viral". That doesn't make their point any less valid.

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02-11-2016, 08:26 PM
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(02-11-2016 08:03 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(02-11-2016 05:19 AM)yakherder Wrote:  It's also not as simple as "greedy oil". They did everything they were supposed to do in order to reach this point fairly and legally. They were at the point where there was nothing left to do but make their investments, hire workers, and begin the process. Now they're supposed to lose that and lay off everyone because Standing Rock changed their minds and the movement went viral?

It's doesn't matter if the protest only gained support after or the oil companies are doing everything right.
At the end of the day these pipelines are an environmental and health hazard towards all the communities they pass through. That's all that matters, not "protesters are only protesting because it went viral". That doesn't make their point any less valid.

Their point is short sighted and misinformed and their protest tactics strategically irrational.

There are already oil pipelines under the same body of water that have been there for a few decades, including a gas pipeline following the exact same route most of the way. Sure there is risk, but that's also true for the massive truck based transportation currently being utilized. There's no solution that's absolutely good in every aspect. That's why they have laws, regulations, and protocols in place. That's also why they held numerous meetings with the sole intent of giving all involved a chance to voice their opinion before the course had been irreversibly set. They had the opportunity to voice their concerns, and that opportunity was squandered. With a nation of 320 million people, all with slightly different interests and differing perceptions of what is worth risking and what isn't, we don't have the luxury of saying to hell with procedure and the setting of a precedent that undermines the contracts on which our economy is based and the system of representation that we rely on for a timely decision making process.

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